A few examples of group homomorphism

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The exercise involves finding examples of homomorphisms between various groups, specifically from the group of rational numbers under addition to the group of positive rational numbers under multiplication, from the group of units modulo 20 to the group of integers modulo 64, and from the group of integers modulo 30 to the symmetric group on 10 elements.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find specific homomorphisms but encounters difficulties, particularly with the mappings described in parts a, b, and c. They raise questions about the nature of these mappings and their properties.
  • Some participants question the feasibility of the proposed mappings, especially regarding the structure of the groups involved, such as the cyclic nature of Z64 and the properties of U20.
  • Others suggest examining specific elements and their orders in the context of group theory to explore potential mappings.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided insights and suggestions regarding the mappings, particularly in parts b and c, where some have indicated that certain mappings may not be possible due to the structural properties of the groups involved. The discussion remains open, with further exploration of part a suggested.

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There are constraints regarding the definitions of the groups involved, particularly the interpretation of U20 and its relationship to Z64. The original poster's attempts indicate a need for clarification on the properties of the groups and the nature of homomorphisms.

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Homework Statement



The exercise is to find examples of various homomorphisms from/to various groups.

Those I'm having problems with are:

a. f: (Q,+) --> (Q^+,*) which is onto.
b. f: U20 --> Z64 which is 1-to-1.
c. f: Z30 --> S10 which is 1-to-1.


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The Attempt at a Solution



for a. , the only homomorphism i could think which send 0 to 1 is f(x) a^x,
apparently, f sends many elements of (Q,+) to R instead of (Q^+,*).

for b. , the only insight i have is that U20 has 8 elements, and Z64 has 8*8 elements ... not to deep, i know ... but maybe is?

for c. , no insights at all.



I would appreciate any clues given.
Thanks,
Zvi.
 
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To get b. and c. out of the way first (then we can come back to a. which is more interesting).

b. isn't possible if by U_{20} you mean the group of residues relatively prime to 20 under multiplication. This is because, with that meaning, U_{20}\cong Z_4\times Z_2 which is not cyclic (prove both, or at any rate the latter!), whereas any subgroup of a cyclic group (Z_{64} in this case) is cyclic (also prove!).

c. Does (12) commute with (345)? What then is the order of (12)(345). Then find an element of order 30 in S_{10}.
 
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a. is also not possible. Look at an element x\in (\mathbb{Q},+) such that f:x\mapsto 2\in(\mathbb{Q}^+,\times) (which must exist). What can you say about x/2\text{?}
 
Ok,

For a. , I concluded that if f(x) = 2 then f(x/2) = sqrt(2) , with contradiction to that f(x/2) is (positive) rational.

For b. , proved.

For c. , I marked s = (1,2)(3,4,5)(6,7,8,9,10) , o(s) = 30
and for any x in Z30, f(x) = s^x such that IM(f) = <s> , and f(x) is well defined because it's not dependent of the number one chooses to represent the residue x.Thanks for your help, Martin ;)
 

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