A Physical Situation Which Physics Rules Collapse

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the circumstances under which established physics laws may fail or be deemed incomplete. Participants explore concepts related to energy conservation and the applicability of physical laws in various situations, seeking mathematical descriptions of these phenomena. The conversation touches on theoretical implications rather than specific singularities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether the discussion pertains to situations where the laws of physics are incomplete or where they do not apply at all.
  • There is a focus on scenarios where energy conservation cannot be verified or does not hold, raising questions about the validity of fundamental laws in those contexts.
  • One participant suggests that historical instances exist where accepted laws were violated, leading to the development of new physics, exemplified by the case of the neutrino.
  • Another participant seeks clarity on whether the inability to apply certain laws in specific situations indicates that those laws are "broken" or simply not applicable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the failure of physical laws in certain situations indicates a breakdown of those laws or highlights their limitations. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of defining situations where physical laws do not apply, and the discussion includes references to historical examples that may not fully resolve the current inquiry.

Quarlep
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Whats the circumtances which physics rules collapse and don't work.there's any explanation it to use mathematics. Here I don't mean singularity things.I know in singularity physics rules collapse I want to talk more generally.
 
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Do you mean a situation where the laws of physics are incomplete [i.e. we don't know the correct laws]?
Or do you mean a situation where the laws of physics do not apply [because no such laws exist for it]?
 
robphy said:
Or do you mean a situation where the laws of physics do not apply [because no such laws exist for it]?

This one . A situtation which we can't get energy conservation or these kind of things which we can say hundered per cent physics laws cannot work in that situation.Is there any way to desribe it mathematicly.
 
Quarlep said:
This one . A situtation which we can't get energy conservation or these kind of things which we can say hundered per cent physics laws cannot work in that situation.Is there any way to desribe it mathematicly.

I'm just looking for more clarity in what you are asking.

Consider the Law of Conservation of [total] Energy...
[for the sake of argument, let's say...] it holds in a certain situation...
but because some part of the system is inaccessible to us, we can't verify it or make [easy] use of it.
It's true but not helpful in solving a problem.
Is that what you mean?
 
we couldn't find energy conservation in a situation.Its a very important law in physics or , we found a situation which charges don't conserve.These laws are fundamental but they broken just know.Then Can we say "in this situation physics laws are broken" or don't work.
 
It has certainly been the case that some so-called "law" that we had accepted had been violated and thus had to dropped [or had its range of validity restricted] in favor of a better explanation of what was going on. Such turning points often point to new physics.

Here is a famous story... the history of the neutrino.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/particles/neutrino.html
Apparent violations of conservation laws were resolved by postulating a new particle, which was subsequently detected.

This may be enlightening...
"Richard Feynman - The Character of Physical Law -7 -Seeking New Laws"

(in written form: http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/character-physical-law )
 
Ok thanks for video
 

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