A Problem In Electromagnetic Phenomena

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The discussion revolves around a problem in electromagnetic phenomena, specifically related to the Hall effect in a thin rectangular metallic strip carrying a constant current in the presence of a magnetic field. Participants explore the behavior of charge carriers and the resulting electric fields due to charge accumulation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants question the necessity of opposite charge accumulation on the face opposite to PQRS and discuss the nature of charge carriers in the context of the Hall effect. Some express uncertainty about the relevance of the Hall effect to the problem at hand.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the charge dynamics in the strip, with some participants providing insights into the relationship between positive ions and electrons. There is a mix of understanding regarding the Hall effect and its application to the problem, with no explicit consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate a lack of familiarity with the Hall effect, suggesting that the problem may be solvable using only high school physics principles. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding charge carriers and their behavior in the given scenario.

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In a thin rectangular metallic strip a constant current I flows along the positive x-direction, as shown in the figure. The length, width and thickness of the strip are l,w and d, respectively.

A uniform magnetic field B is applied on the strip along the positive y-direction. Due to this, the charge carriers experience a net deflection along the z-direction.

This results in accumulation of charge carriers on the surface PQRS and appearance of equal and opposite charges on the face opposite to PQRS. A potential difference along the z-direction is thus developed. Charge accumulation continues until the magnetic force is balanced by the electric force. The current is assumed to be uniformly distributed on the cross section of the strip and carried by electrons.

there is a charge accumulation on PQRS because of the force on the charge carriers but why should there be an opposite and equivalent charge induced on the face opposite to face PQRS

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there is a charge accumulation on PQRS because of the force on the charge carriers but why should there be an opposite and equivalent charge induced on the face opposite to face PQRS
 

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vijayramakrishnan said:
there is a charge accumulation on PQRS because of the force on the charge carriers but why should there be an opposite and equivalent charge induced on the face opposite to face PQRS.
Because when the valence electrons leave their atoms, the resulting atoms are now positively charged ions, of equal charge magnitude but opposite polarity.

BTW effect is called the Hall effect.
 
rude man said:
Because when the valence electrons leave their atoms, the resulting atoms are now positively charged ions, of equal charge magnitude but opposite polarity.

BTW effect is called the Hall effect.
sir,where are the valence electrons?,isn't it just charge caries so only electrons must be there
 
vijayramakrishnan said:
sir,where are the valence electrons?,isn't it just charge caries so only electrons must be there
sir i don't know anything about hall effect, this is a problem from high school syllabus only,we don't have any hall effect here,can it be solved through high school physics alone
 
There is no way to tell the difference between a positive charge and the absence of a negative charge.
Conversely, the absence of one sign of charge is the presence of the other sign of charge.
The point is that a potential difference is built up between PQRS and the opposite face.
 
vijayramakrishnan said:
sir,where are the valence electrons?,isn't it just charge caries so only electrons must be there
Based on the free-electron model in metals, electrons are the only moving charge carriers in a metal. The immobile positively charged ions are left behind on the side opposite to where the electrons are bunched. This creates an electric field which limits the bunching of the electrons. In the steady-state the E field and B field forces cancel each other. You need to determine the drift velocity vd of the electrons to determine numerically what the E field, and therefore the Hall voltage, are:
vd = I/neA ms-1
I = current, A
n = free-electron density, m-3 which varies from metal to metal.
e = 1.6e-19C
A = cross-section area of conductor.
Consult the Internet for the Hall effect.
 

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