A problem that has force, friction on an incline

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The problem involves a block of mass m sliding up an inclined plane under the influence of a horizontal force F, with friction characterized by a coefficient μ. The objective is to derive an expression for F that allows the block to move at constant velocity while exploring the relationship between the angle θ of the incline and the coefficient of friction μ.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the components of forces acting on the block, particularly how to resolve the horizontal force F into components parallel and perpendicular to the incline. There is also a focus on understanding the conditions for constant velocity and the implications of the derived equations.

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Some participants have provided insights into the reasoning behind the equations and the importance of correctly identifying force components. There is acknowledgment of mistakes in initial reasoning, and further clarification is sought regarding the conditions that must be satisfied for the problem to be physically meaningful.

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Participants mention the need for diagrams to visualize the problem better and highlight the importance of understanding the relationship between the angles and the forces involved. There is also a discussion about the constraints imposed by the requirement that the denominator in the derived expression must remain positive.

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A block of mass m, acted on by a force of magnitude F directed horizontally to the right as shown above, slides up an inclined plane that makes an angle [tex]\theta[/tex] with the horizontal. The coefficient of sliding friction between the block and the plane is [tex]\mu[/tex].

The picture is that of an incline, [tex]\theta[/tex] on the left of the incline, mass m on the incline, and a horizontal force is applied to m directed right.

Develop an expression for the magnitude of the force F that will allow the block to slide up the plane with constant velocity. What relation must [tex]\theta[/tex] and [tex]\mu[/tex] satisfy in order for this solution to be physically meaningful.




This is what I did. (wrong according to the answer)

F = ma
mgsin[tex]\theta[/tex] + [tex]\mu[/tex]mgcos[tex]\theta[/tex] - Fcos[tex]\theta[/tex] = 0
Fcos[tex]\theta[/tex] = mg(sin[tex]\theta[/tex] + [tex]\mu[/tex]cos[tex]\theta[/tex])
F = mg(sin[tex]\theta[/tex] + cos[tex]\theta[/tex]) / cos[tex]\theta[/tex]

This is how I reasoned: If it's moving up at a constant velocity, Fcos[tex]\theta[/tex] should equal mgsin[tex]\theta[/tex] + friction ([tex]\mu[/tex]gcos[tex]\theta[/tex])




This is what the answer is supposed to be:

F = mg([tex]\mu[/tex]cos[tex]\theta[/tex] + sin[tex]\theta[/tex]) / (cos[tex]\theta[/tex] - [tex]\mu[/tex]sin[tex]\theta[/tex])

F > 0 => cos[tex]\theta[/tex] > sin[tex]\theta[/tex]
tan[tex]\theta[/tex] = 1/[tex]\mu[/tex]




What mistake did I make in my reasoning and where did the answer come from?
 
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musicfairy said:
F = ma
mgsin[tex]\theta[/tex] + [tex]\mu[/tex]mgcos[tex]\theta[/tex] - Fcos[tex]\theta[/tex] = 0
Since the applied force has a component perpendicular to the plane, the normal force is not simply [itex]mg \cos\theta[/itex].

(Also: It's much easier if you write your entire equation using Latex, not just some pieces.)
 
Ok, I see. Thanks for the tip. It worked.

I have a general/stupid question. How do you know which component of F is || or perpendicular to the incline. I tried several problems like this one (with numbers) and had trouble figuring out the axis

For the last part of the problem, how do I know that cos[tex]\theta[/tex] > sin[tex]\theta[/tex]?

I'm still getting used to latex. It's coming to me.
 
musicfairy said:
How do you know which component of F is || or perpendicular to the incline. I tried several problems like this one (with numbers) and had trouble figuring out the axis
Always draw yourself a diagram and mark the angles. (That's the only way I know.) Since we know the incline makes an angle [itex]\theta[/itex] with the horizontal, it must make the same angle with the applied force F.
For the last part of the problem, how do I know that cos[tex]\theta[/tex] > sin[tex]\theta[/tex]?
Since [itex]\cos\theta - \mu\sin\theta[/itex] (the denominator) must be positive, you can deduce that [itex]\cos\theta > \mu\sin\theta[/itex]. (Not [itex]\cos\theta > \sin\theta[/itex].)
 
I see now. Thanks for all the help.
 

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