A problem that has force, friction on an incline

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A block of mass m, acted on by a force of magnitude F directed horizontally to the right as shown above, slides up an inclined plane that makes an angle [tex]\theta[/tex] with the horizontal. The coefficient of sliding friction between the block and the plane is [tex]\mu[/tex].

The picture is that of an incline, [tex]\theta[/tex] on the left of the incline, mass m on the incline, and a horizontal force is applied to m directed right.

Develop an expression for the magnitude of the force F that will allow the block to slide up the plane with constant velocity. What relation must [tex]\theta[/tex] and [tex]\mu[/tex] satisfy in order for this solution to be physically meaningful.




This is what I did. (wrong according to the answer)

F = ma
mgsin[tex]\theta[/tex] + [tex]\mu[/tex]mgcos[tex]\theta[/tex] - Fcos[tex]\theta[/tex] = 0
Fcos[tex]\theta[/tex] = mg(sin[tex]\theta[/tex] + [tex]\mu[/tex]cos[tex]\theta[/tex])
F = mg(sin[tex]\theta[/tex] + cos[tex]\theta[/tex]) / cos[tex]\theta[/tex]

This is how I reasoned: If it's moving up at a constant velocity, Fcos[tex]\theta[/tex] should equal mgsin[tex]\theta[/tex] + friction ([tex]\mu[/tex]gcos[tex]\theta[/tex])




This is what the answer is supposed to be:

F = mg([tex]\mu[/tex]cos[tex]\theta[/tex] + sin[tex]\theta[/tex]) / (cos[tex]\theta[/tex] - [tex]\mu[/tex]sin[tex]\theta[/tex])

F > 0 => cos[tex]\theta[/tex] > sin[tex]\theta[/tex]
tan[tex]\theta[/tex] = 1/[tex]\mu[/tex]




What mistake did I make in my reasoning and where did the answer come from?
 
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musicfairy said:
F = ma
mgsin[tex]\theta[/tex] + [tex]\mu[/tex]mgcos[tex]\theta[/tex] - Fcos[tex]\theta[/tex] = 0
Since the applied force has a component perpendicular to the plane, the normal force is not simply [itex]mg \cos\theta[/itex].

(Also: It's much easier if you write your entire equation using Latex, not just some pieces.)
 
Ok, I see. Thanks for the tip. It worked.

I have a general/stupid question. How do you know which component of F is || or perpendicular to the incline. I tried several problems like this one (with numbers) and had trouble figuring out the axis

For the last part of the problem, how do I know that cos[tex]\theta[/tex] > sin[tex]\theta[/tex]?

I'm still getting used to latex. It's coming to me.
 
musicfairy said:
How do you know which component of F is || or perpendicular to the incline. I tried several problems like this one (with numbers) and had trouble figuring out the axis
Always draw yourself a diagram and mark the angles. (That's the only way I know.) Since we know the incline makes an angle [itex]\theta[/itex] with the horizontal, it must make the same angle with the applied force F.
For the last part of the problem, how do I know that cos[tex]\theta[/tex] > sin[tex]\theta[/tex]?
Since [itex]\cos\theta - \mu\sin\theta[/itex] (the denominator) must be positive, you can deduce that [itex]\cos\theta > \mu\sin\theta[/itex]. (Not [itex]\cos\theta > \sin\theta[/itex].)
 
I see now. Thanks for all the help.