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The discussion revolves around a limit problem involving the function f(x) = 1/(x^2) and the parameters ε and δ. The original poster seeks to determine a suitable value of δ that meets specific conditions related to ε = 10 and the point a = 2.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the meaning of the condition "satisfies |δ - a|", with some attempting to clarify the relationship between δ and the values of x. Questions arise about the derivation of the solution involving min(1,8) and the implications of ε in relation to the function's behavior.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning assumptions and clarifying the meaning of terms. Some guidance has been provided regarding the interpretation of the absolute value condition, but there is no explicit consensus on the derivation of the solution or the significance of the number 8.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the comparison of x values to y values in the context of the limit definition, as well as the implications of the ε value on the function's output.

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Homework Statement



If ε = 10, give a value of δ that satisfies |δ - a| where a = 2 and 0 < δ ≤ 1 and also guarantees that |f(x) − 1/4| < ε where f(x) = 1/(x^2)

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My problem is the solution. The solution is δ = min(1,8) = 1. I am assuming that ε begins at L = 1/4 because |f(x) - L| is usually implied. So I graphed it out; I can see that any position of 0 < δ ≤ 1 from position a works when ε = 10 and 0 < δ ≤ 1. But I have no idea how the answer gets min (1,8). Anything larger than x = 2 is outside of ε.
 
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student34 said:

Homework Statement



If ε = 10, give a value of δ that satisfies |δ - a| where a = 2 and 0 < δ ≤ 1 and also guarantees that |f(x) − 1/4| < ε where f(x) = 1/(x^2)
What is "satisfies |δ - a|" supposed to mean?

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N/A

The Attempt at a Solution



My problem is the solution. The solution is δ = min(1,8) = 1. I am assuming that ε begins at L = 1/4 because |f(x) - L| is usually implied.
There's no assuming necessary (except perhaps what you mean by "ε begins at L = 1/4"). |f(x) − 1/4| < ε means that f(x) is within ε of 1/4.

So I graphed it out; I can see that any position of 0 < δ ≤ 1 from position a works when ε = 10 and 0 < δ ≤ 1. But I have no idea how the answer gets min (1,8).
Where did the 8 come from in the solutions? I assume the derivation is shown.

Anything larger than x = 2 is outside of ε.
What is this supposed to mean? It doesn't make sense as you are comparing x values to y values.
 
vela said:
What is "satisfies |δ - a|" supposed to mean?

Damn, I meant "satisfies 0 < δ ≤ 1 from the point a = 2". I came to that from the idea that if |x - 2| > δ and 0 < δ ≤ 1, then 1 < x < 3.

There's no assuming necessary (except perhaps what you mean by "ε begins at L = 1/4"). |f(x) − 1/4|< ε means that f(x) is within ε of 1/4.

Where did the 8 come from in the solutions? I assume the derivation is shown.

What is this supposed to mean? It doesn't make sense as you are comparing x values to y values.

I meant that if f(x) = f(a) = f(2) = 1/4, then any x > 2 puts 1/(x^2) outside of the range of ε = 10 which seems to mean that ε = (1/4, 10+1/4) on the y axis. So my answer is, 0 < δ ≤ 1 because ε ≥ {f(1), f(2)}.
 
Remember you have an absolute value, so you want -10 < f(x)-1/4 < 10. For some values of x greater than 2, that condition is satisfied.

Did you see where the 8 in the solutions came from?
 
vela said:
Remember you have an absolute value, so you want -10 < f(x)-1/4 < 10. For some values of x greater than 2, that condition is satisfied.

Did you see where the 8 in the solutions came from?

Ah, after a long time, I finally get it - thanks!
 

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