A question about conditions for Weightlessness

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The discussion revolves around the conditions for weightlessness experienced by astronauts in a spaceship orbiting Earth. Participants explore the relationship between gravitational forces, normal forces, and the concept of freefall, focusing on the implications of Newton's laws in this context.

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  • One participant states that astronauts feel weightless in orbit because the normal force acting on them is zero, questioning the correctness of their understanding.
  • Another participant explains that the only force acting on the spaceship is gravity, which is sufficient to maintain its orbit, leading to an apparent weight of zero.
  • It is noted that in orbit, the spaceship is in freefall, which contributes to the sensation of weightlessness.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the correctness of their equations, which relate gravitational force and acceleration.
  • Responses confirm that the equations are correct and emphasize that the absence of a normal force results in the sensation of weightlessness due to freefall.
  • Another participant elaborates that while in freefall, gravity still acts on the astronaut, but without a ground reaction force, they do not feel it, drawing an analogy to jumping off a bridge.

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Participants generally agree on the concept that astronauts experience weightlessness due to the absence of a normal force in freefall. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the equations and their implications.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about forces in orbit and the definitions of weightlessness and freefall. The mathematical steps connecting gravitational force and acceleration are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in physics, particularly those exploring concepts of gravity, orbital mechanics, and the sensations associated with freefall.

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I read that if you are in a spaceship orbiting Earth in a circular motion, the astronout feels weightless (meaning the normal force to the astronout is equal to zero). But according to Newton laws equations you get:
gif.latex?N%20=%20\frac{GMm}{r^2}%20-%20\frac{mv^2}{r}.gif

and then if we assume N=0 (which is really what's happening according to my understanding), we get:
gif.latex?\frac{GMm}{r^2}%20=%20\frac{mv^2}{r}.gif

And I don't understand why is that true, if you can explain, or if there is any mistake in what I've said above,

Thanks
 
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The only force acting on the ship is gravity, which is just enough to keep it in orbit. No additional force is required to support something in orbit, so the apparent weight is zero.
 
In orbit, the force of gravity isn't felt because the orbiting spaceship is in freefall.
 
so my equations are not correct?
 
nadavg54 said:
so my equations are not correct?

They are correct. N=0 for an astronaut in freefall, because there's nothing that
can push against the astronaut. Your equation is just F =ma , where the
force is [itex]\frac {GmM}{r^2}[/itex] and the acceleration is [itex] \frac {v^2}{r}[/itex]
 
Yes, your equations are correct. We actually don't "feel" gravity, we feel the ground pushing on our feet on response to the gravity pulling us against the ground. In free fall, there is no ground pushing back, so we feel don't feel it. But there is still gravity pulling on us. That is why we accelerate downwards. Try jumping off a high bridge into a river with your eyes closed. While in the air, you will feel weightless, but gravity is still at work, because you fall.
 

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