A question about Institute for Advanced Study and Yoichiro Nambu

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The discussion centers around the aspirations of a Canadian student aiming to become a physicist and their inquiries about gaining recognition and opportunities at prestigious institutions like the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton. Participants explore the pathways to success in academia, the significance of university reputation, and the feasibility of obtaining multiple Ph.D.s in related fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant emphasizes that reputation is based on work rather than the institution, suggesting that strong undergraduate performance can lead to opportunities at prestigious universities.
  • Another participant notes that while Toronto is a good school for physics, obtaining multiple Ph.D.s may not be practical or necessary, as many programs discourage admitting candidates for a second Ph.D.
  • A suggestion is made to engage with seminars at institutions like MIT or Harvard as a way to network and gain exposure, although the challenge of securing funding for living expenses is acknowledged.
  • Concerns are raised about the competitive nature of research positions at top universities, with one participant stating that the chances of securing such positions are currently very low due to high demand and limited opportunities.
  • There is a discussion about the bureaucratic hurdles involved in obtaining a second Ph.D., with references to specific policies at UC Berkeley regarding admissions for second-time applicants.
  • One participant argues that major breakthroughs in physics are often associated with individuals from well-known universities, questioning why those from lesser-known institutions do not achieve similar recognition.
  • Another participant counters this by stating that breakthroughs are more about the quality of work and luck rather than the institution itself, suggesting that top schools attract talent and resources that facilitate significant research.

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Participants express a range of views on the importance of university reputation, the practicality of pursuing multiple Ph.D.s, and the factors contributing to major breakthroughs in physics. There is no consensus on these issues, indicating ongoing debate and differing perspectives.

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Participants highlight various assumptions about the academic landscape, including the competitive nature of research positions, the significance of networking, and the policies surrounding Ph.D. admissions. These factors remain unresolved and are subject to individual interpretation.

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I am in my senior years now and I am Canadian, going into a Canadian University. I plan to become a physicist, a researching physicist at a university. I want to research at the point where I am like Yoichiro Nambu.

This is my question: Does a Canadian potential physicist have any chance at being invited by the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton or any well-known facilities? If I do not get a Ph.D from a well-known university, is there any chance of being recognized? Do Canadian universities such as University of British Columbia or Toronto have that type of facility for me to research?

My other question: What does it take to get recognized and be inviited by well-known universities to study? I know Yoichiro Nambu did not start out like that, but I really want to become one of those people. In fact, I don't even care if it's an Ivy League or not, it can be Berkeley or Oxbridge or even Chicago (I actually want to go there more than universities like Harvard).

Can you successful physicist shed some light on me?

I am also aiming for a Ph.D in Physics, Mathematics and Chemistry (does Ph.D in Chemistry even exist??)
 
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Your reputation is based on your work, not where you work. If you do very well in undergrad and impress someone at Princeton, you might have a shot at grad school there - but again, you don't need to go to grad school at Princeton to be successful in whatever field you choose. Yes, Toronto is an excellent school for physics. And yes, you can get a PhD in chemistry - but you really don't need three PhDs. Most programs would shy away from admitting you for your second, much less a third.
 
If you want to work at MIT or Harvard, just get an apartment in Cambridge and just attend physics seminars there. The only real difficulty here is to find something that will pay for your living expenses.

Right now your chances of getting a formal research position at any big name university is pretty near to nil. This is just because there are too few research positions and too many applicants, and what gets funded depends on the vagaries of politics.

What you really want is to find some position (anywhere doing anything) that will give you the time and facilities to think.
 
Twofish, what is this seminar you speak of..?
 
eri said:
Your reputation is based on your work, not where you work. If you do very well in undergrad and impress someone at Princeton, you might have a shot at grad school there - but again, you don't need to go to grad school at Princeton to be successful in whatever field you choose. Yes, Toronto is an excellent school for physics. And yes, you can get a PhD in chemistry - but you really don't need three PhDs. Most programs would shy away from admitting you for your second, much less a third.

What do you mean shy away ?
 
flyingpig said:
Twofish, what is this seminar you speak of..?

If you are in the Boston area, you can subscribe to the Boston Area Physics Calendar, and whenever there is a talk at MIT, Harvard, Tufts, BU, Northeastern, etc. etc. you just show up.

http://cosmos.phy.tufts.edu/bapc.html
 
flyingpig said:
What do you mean shy away ?

As in they often have rules against it. For example, I know UC Berkeley won't admit someone for a second Ph.D. unless the admitting department petitions for approval and argues that it serves a valid scientific purpose.

(Perhaps these petitions are accepted routinely... but it *is* an additional bureacratic hassle in any event.)
 
I thought Berkeley won't even accept people just to get a Ph.D from them
 
It's probably overkill to get more than one Ph.d. Instead of getting three Ph.D. in mathematics, physics, and chemistry, you probably want to get one in mathematical physical chemistry (and yes that is something you can get a Ph.D. in).

One other thing is that you can be a decent physicist through hard work, but to make a major breakthrough requires some dumb luck. Nature decides where the breakthroughs are, and it may or may not be where you are looking.
 
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But I find it weird that it is always people from well-known universities that have these "major breakthroughs". Like why can't someone from an unknown university have that chance?
 
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It's not the university you're at that determines if you'll have a major breakthrough, it's the fact that top schools tend to hire the people who are doing great work and having them more often. Getting into Princeton won't make you a genius; being a genius will (maybe) get you into Princeton.
 
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eri said:
It's not the university you're at that determines if you'll have a major breakthrough, it's the fact that top schools tend to hire the people who are doing great work and having them more often. Getting into Princeton won't make you a genius; being a genius will (maybe) get you into Princeton.

Not to mention that these people tend to get a more funding for students, equipment etc than people working at "unknown" universities that haven't been as successful; which can be extremely important (at least in experimental physics) and certainly gives you a competitive edge compared to other people working in the same field.
 

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