A question about meaning of polarisation of light

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The discussion revolves around the concept of polarization of light, exploring definitions, characteristics, and implications of polarized versus unpolarized light. Participants examine the nature of the electric field vector in different polarization states and the mathematical representations of these states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the definition of unpolarized light, suggesting that it should be termed "randomly polarized" since the electric field vector points in a specific direction at any instant.
  • Another participant clarifies that for light propagating in the z direction, the electric field vector lies in the x-y plane, and if it remains in a particular direction, it is considered linearly polarized.
  • There is a discussion about the mathematical representation of the electric field vector, with suggestions on how to express randomly polarized light and the implications of time-varying unit vectors.
  • A participant questions whether polarity is a continuous property and discusses the polarization of single photons versus beams of light, raising the idea of partial polarization.
  • Another participant responds that polarization is a statistical property, mentioning the Poincare sphere to describe different polarization states and noting that beams can be partially polarized.
  • There is mention of circular polarization and its relation to helicity, as well as the effects of circularly polarized light on birefringent materials.
  • Discussion includes the complexities of defining polarization for non-plane waves and the existence of longitudinal modes in strongly focused light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology and definitions related to polarization, with some agreeing on the mathematical representations while others challenge the clarity of these concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of polarization as a continuous property and the implications for single photons versus beams of light.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in definitions and the complexity of polarization states, particularly in non-plane wave scenarios and when considering statistical properties of light.

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Hi,

I have been spending the last week just to understand the meaning of polarisation of light. I think the books so I far I have seen are not following simple language and are making things complex or I have not seen so far a good book on this subject which simplified the things or perhaps I am not able to understand this completely, I may be missing some fined point.

Most of the books mention that in unpolarised light electric fied vector can be in any plane whereas in polarised light, E vector is restricted to just one plane.

Now let us consider light traveling along the x direction. Since light is A transverse wave, E vector can at most be in YZ plane. True, in the YZ plane, the E vector can be with any orientation, it can be along y axis, it can be along z axis, and it can be a combination of both. So in an unpolarised light, the E vector can be at one moment along y direction, at another it can be along z, and at yet another it can be a combination of both. But still, the E vector is in the YZ plane only. So I find that it is wrong to say that even in UNPOLARISED light, E vector can be in any plane - for example in this case, it can not be along the x axis, it can not be a combination of x and z or in other words, it can not be in the XZ plane - because still the E vector has to be perpendicular to the direction of light propagation. Polarised light can restrict E vector to only along y axis, or z axis or a combination of both.

The gist of my point is that since there can be only one plane perpendicular to a line, (YZ plane for x axis), and E has to be perpendicualr to the direction, E has to be always in the YZ plane.

Am I right? Please clarify. Thanks
 
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Personally, I dislike the term "unpolarized", becasue at any instant of time the electric field is pointing in some particular direction. A better term is "randomly polarized", becasue that is more descriptive of the actual field vector.

Given a plane wave, propagating in the 'z' direction, the electric field always lies in the x-y plane. If the vector always lies in a particular direction (x-, y-, some angle to the x-axis, etc), it's linearly polarized light. If the electric field vector traces out a circle (or ellipse), it's circularly (or elliptically) polarized..

There are more exotic polarization states: radial and tangential for example. Also, if the wave is not a plane wave, defining the polarization can become difficult, especially for strongly focused light
 
Good answer Andy...

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Andy, Thanks for the clarification. So to reconfirm, my understanding is right, for light moving forward in z direction, the E vector, by the definition of transverse nature, is restricted to be in x-y plane. The E field can be then,

E = A sin(wt-kz) i

Where E stands for the electric vector, and i stands for a unit vector in the x-y plane. In the case of randomly polarised vector, i changes with time - but still being restricted to the x-y plane.

Is this right?
 
manjuvenamma said:
Andy, Thanks for the clarification. So to reconfirm, my understanding is right, for light moving forward in z direction, the E vector, by the definition of transverse nature, is restricted to be in x-y plane. The E field can be then,

E = A sin(wt-kz) i

Where E stands for the electric vector, and i stands for a unit vector in the x-y plane. In the case of randomly polarised vector, i changes with time - but still being restricted to the x-y plane.

Is this right?

Well, I would hesitate to have the unit vector 'i' change in time. Better to write something like

E(t) = A sin(wt-kx) e(t), where e(t) is the direction of the electric field vector in time. Then, if you want to write down linear polarized states like u(t) = i, or u(t) = j, or even u(t) = 1/sqrt(2) (i + j), and for circular states you can write down other combinations. For randomly polarized, you'd have some funky definition for u(t) that make it look like a stochastic variable.
 
Is polarity a continuous property?

Hi,

I always thought that a single photon is by it self polarized with E=Asin(wt-kz) in a constant direction perpendicular to z. The polarization is said to be generated by the momentum (say of an electron that has fallen energetic levels), and thus stays constant. In a beam of polarized light the whole population of photons have the same unit vector, while in unpolarized light the many photons each have different polarity, which might seem random. This leads me to the question, is polarity of a beam a continuous property? Can a beam be partially polarized?
In addition I wondered, why can't a single photon (or a beam) be polarized in the direction of propagation?
 
A single photon is circularly polarized (helicity).

Beams can indeed be partially polarized: polarization is inherently a statistical property of light. The most general way to discuss polarization involves the "Poincare sphere". If light is fully polarized, the polarization state lies on the surface of the sphere. Randomly polarized light lies at the origin, and partially polarized states fill the interior volume.

Helicity corresponds to spin; it is possible to have angular momentum as well, this involves special types of propagating modes: donut or Bessel beams, usually created with an axicon or phase grating device. The indeterminancy of phase at the origin of these beams gives rise to a non-zero winding number, corresponding to (quantized) angular momentum.

Circularly polarized light will exert a torque on birefringent materials.

All this is for far-field paraxial beams. Strongly focused light and evanescent waves will have components of the electric field that lie along the direction of propagating (longitudinal modes). I don't know too much about that, other than it exists.
 

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