A question about the speed of Light in different media....

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of light speed in different media, particularly focusing on why the speed of light is not continuously variable within a single medium. Participants explore concepts related to optical density, the effects of temperature and scattering, and the nature of light propagation.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the speed of light is affected by the density of the medium, being higher in rarer media and lower in denser ones.
  • Counterexamples are provided, such as lead glass and diamond, to question the relationship between density and refractive index.
  • Some participants suggest that the speed of light can change within the same medium due to factors like temperature, which can alter density.
  • Others argue that the frequency of light can affect its speed, particularly in the context of phenomena like white light dispersing through a prism.
  • A participant mentions that light in a medium is not just photons but involves excitons, leading to a different average speed compared to vacuum.
  • There is a discussion about whether light behaves like projectiles that slow down continuously or if its propagation matches wave behavior, with some questioning the implications of damping on speed.
  • Incoherent scattering is raised as a factor that may lead to changes in frequency and speed, though its efficiency in affecting light is debated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of light propagation and the factors influencing its speed in a medium. There is no consensus on whether the speed of light should be considered constant within a medium or if it can vary continuously.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific definitions of density and refractive index, and the discussion includes unresolved questions about the effects of scattering and frequency on light speed.

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cranksci said:
I understand your question. The term "speed of light" is somewhat of a misnomer, because what we are really talking about here is the rate of the exchange of information between adjacent participants in the propagating medium

No, there is no misnomer, and we aren't talking about how quickly information can pass through a medium in general. An electron can pass some distance through water at near c, while visible light is slowed down well below that value.

cranksci said:
which is a constant value that we know to occur over a distance of 186,000 miles in one second in the medium of air, wherein that determination is made.

The speed of light in a vacuum is what c represents.

cranksci said:
Denser mediums have more participants in the chain of information exchange over the same distance, therefore light will take longer to cross the denser medium for the same time frame, and when returned to the medium that is air, that distance increases with the decrease in density of the medium, and the apparent "speed of light" immediately returns to "normal".

Density, while related to the refractive index of a medium, is only part of the story. One medium can be denser than another and yet have a smaller refractive index.
 

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