Can the speed of light change?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of light speed in different mediums and whether light can change speed under various conditions. It explores concepts related to the speed of light in vacuum versus its speed in materials, as well as implications of gravitational effects on light speed.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the speed of light in vacuum is constant and the same for all observers, while light can slow down in different mediums.
  • There is a suggestion that the apparent slowing of light in a medium is due to the interaction of photons with electrons, but some participants challenge this view, stating it is a widely held but incorrect belief.
  • One participant questions whether the concept of light changing speed is a relatively new discovery, to which another participant responds negatively.
  • Concerns are raised about the percentage of light captured and re-emitted while traveling through a medium, such as glass, and whether there is a delay or phase shift in reflected light.
  • Some participants express confusion about whether light always travels at its maximum speed of 186,000 miles per second, indicating a need for clarification on this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of light speed in mediums, with multiple competing views and some claims being challenged. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of light speed changes and the accuracy of common beliefs about light propagation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about light behavior in different contexts, such as gravitational fields and the interactions within mediums. Some mathematical steps and definitions are not fully explored, leaving room for further clarification.

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According to my physics book light changes speed in different mediums such as water. Doesn't the speed of light have to remain constant?

Thanks in advance
 
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The speed of light in vacuum is a constant and the same for all observers. Light can slow down in a medium. In fact, inside a dielectric medium, you can have things moving faster than light; see Cherenkov radiation.
 
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Is light changing speed a relatively new discovery?
 
I had the impression that In the case of light going through a medium, the apparent speed slows down due to the rate that electrons absorb and emit photons, but that the speed of the photons as they travel unimpeded remains the same.

On the other hand, to an observer outside of the effect of a particular gravity field, the speed of light would be slower where the gravitational intensity is greater.
 
kolleamm said:
Is light changing speed a relatively new discovery?
No.
 
rcgldr said:
I had the impression that In the case of light going through a medium, the apparent speed slows down due to the rate that electrons absorb and emit photons, but that the speed of the photons as they travel unimpeded remains the same.
That is a widely held, but incorrect, belief. There is a recent thread on this. I suggest a forum search.
 
rcgldr said:
I had the impression that In the case of light going through a medium, the apparent speed slows down due to the rate that electrons absorb and emit photons, but that the speed of the photons as they travel unimpeded remains the same.

phinds said:
That is a widely held, but incorrect, belief. There is a recent thread on this. I suggest a forum search.
Thanks. At least I know why I had that impression (might have been related to propagation inside of a laser). I wondered what percentage of light is actually captured and re-emitted while traveling through a medium such as glass.

In the case of a mirror, then almost all of the reflected light is due to interaction with the reflecting surface (some of the light is reflected by the glass). I'm wondering if there is a delay (maybe just a phase shift) of the reflected light.
 
So light can change speed? It doesn't always travel at 186,000 mi/s ?
 
kolleamm said:
So light can change speed? It doesn't always travel at 186,000 mi/s ?
See post #2
 
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Light travels in vacuum with a constant speed which is equal to 299, 792, 458 m/s. It slows down when it travels through an optically denser medium such as glass, water, etc.
 

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