A question of "Time" and pre-determination and has everything already happened?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of time, specifically addressing the idea of whether everything has already happened and the implications of this notion on free will and decision-making. Participants explore the philosophical aspects of time and determinism, contrasting them with physical theories.

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  • Philosophical exploration

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the implications of a theory suggesting there is no "Arrow of time," questioning if this means all decisions are pre-determined.
  • Another participant asserts that the determination of the future is a philosophical issue rather than a physical one.
  • A different participant acknowledges the philosophical nature of the discussion and raises concerns about the definitions of time and the roles of conscious and subconscious decision-making.
  • One participant introduces the concept of "superdeterminism," arguing against it by referencing quantum fluctuations and proposing the "multiverse" theory as an alternative, where all possible outcomes occur in separate timelines.
  • Another participant agrees that the discussion is philosophical and suggests closing the thread.
  • A later reply clarifies that philosophical discussions are generally not permitted in the forum, emphasizing the focus on mainstream physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the discussion leans towards philosophical questions rather than physical ones, but there is no consensus on the nature of time or determinism itself.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of defining time and the implications of determinism, as well as the distinction between philosophical and physical inquiries, which remains unresolved.

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Hey guys, iv been reading and watching a few lectures on time, and iv come across a lot of physicist's talking about there been no "Arrow of time" and how life is like a DvD where as your not actually traveling through time everything has already happened (I hope this makes sense) But what i don't understand about this theory is, if this is true then does this mean iv already made all the decisions in my mind like for example what movie am i going to put on right now and is the "Choosing" of the movie just an illusion as everything has already been pre-determined,i hope you understand what i mean Cheers :o)

It just seems strange to me that i can't actually decide to do something because the decision has already been made
 
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Whether the future is determined but unknown or undetermined and unknown is a matter of philosophy, not physics.
 
The theory which you have mentioned about seems fascinating although I am not aware of it. So probably it is something that I can explore further. However about the decisions there is yet another fact that comes into picture is about conscious and subconsciousmind.
Moreover this theory leans much towards the philosophical nature (as mentioned by @jbriggs444) where destiny and all sorts of this come into play.
I have read few texts about the time and stuff, but what I am really unable to understand is the 'Definition of time'. To me lt seems like more of a abstract concept.
 
The idea that everything is preordained is called "superdeterminism" and it's totally against reality if for no other reason than quantum fluctuations. The way around that is the "multiverse" theory (to which I subscribe) wherein every single thing that could possibly happen does, but each option branches off into multiple timelines in one of which each is true.
 
jbriggs444 said:
a matter of philosophy, not physics.
Agreed. Thread closed.
 
There's been some questions about why this thread was closed. The answer is that discussions primarily of a philosophical nature are generally not allowed here at PF. This forum's primary goal is to teach people about current, mainstream physics. The questions posed here should have clear answers that make logical sense. Philosophical discussions don't meet this criteria. There's usually no answer for them, only an endless discussion that doesn't work well for what we want PF to be.
 

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