A ring with charge Q and radius 'r'

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the maximum electric field, ##\vec{E}_x##, on the axis of a ring charge with total charge ##Q## and radius ##r##. The original poster attempts to show that this maximum occurs at ##x=\pm \frac{r}{\sqrt{2}}##, using principles of calculus and electric field equations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss methods for finding maxima or minima of functions, including the first derivative test and second derivative test. There is a focus on setting the first derivative of the electric field expression to zero to find critical points.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using calculus techniques to analyze the function for extrema. There is acknowledgment of the correctness of the electric field formula, but uncertainty remains regarding the application of calculus to find the maximum value.

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Participants express concern about potential misunderstandings related to the setup of the problem and the use of trigonometric substitutions in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



Show that ##\vec{E}_x## on the axis of a ring charge [I'm assuming they meant "of charge Q"] of radius "r" has its maximum value at ##x=\pm \frac{r}{\sqrt{2}}##

Homework Equations



Linear charge density ##\lambda=\frac{Q}{2\pi R}##
##dQ=\lambda ds = \frac{Qd\theta}{2\pi}##
##\vec{E}=\frac{KQ}{R^2}##

The Attempt at a Solution



Let the distance between an infinitesimal sector of the ring with charge ##dQ## and a point ##P## be ##a##. Then ##a=\sqrt{x^2+r^2}## where r is the radius of the ring. Note that to save some typing, I will use ##a## and ##\sqrt{x^2+r^2}## interchangeably.

Let ##\theta## be the angle formed by a and the x axis, then:
##cos\theta=\frac{x}{a}=\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}## and ##sin\theta=\frac{r}{a}=\frac{r}{\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}##

Now, ##d\vec{E}_y=0##, because all forces in the y-component cancel, leaving ##d\vec{E}_{total}=d\vec{E}_x=d\vec{E}cos\theta##

##\therefore d\vec{E}=\frac{KdQ}{a^2} cos\theta##

Because ##dQ= \frac{Qd\theta}{2\pi}## and ##cos\theta=\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}##
##d\vec{E}=\frac{KQx}{2\pi a^3}d\theta##

Now, integrating from 0→2∏ to find ##\vec{E}##
$$\vec{E}=\frac{KQx}{2\pi a^3} \int_{0}^{2\pi} d\theta = \frac{KQx}{a^3} = \frac{KQx}{(x^2+r^2)^{3/2}}$$

From here, I'm not sure how to use this to "prove" that ##\vec{E}_x## has a maximum value at ##x=\pm \frac{r}{\sqrt{2}}##
 
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How do you go about finding the maximum or minimum of a function of x?
 
First derivative test?
 
squelch said:
First derivative test?

You've sort of got the right idea. Set the first derivative w.r.t. x to zero and solve for x. Then test the second derivative at x to see if you've found a maximum or a minimum. It's a Calculus 1 topic.
 
gneill said:
You've sort of got the right idea. Set the first derivative w.r.t. x to zero and solve for x. Then test the second derivative at x to see if you've found a maximum or a minimum. It's a Calculus 1 topic.

Right, but I don't feel like I have my ##\vec{E}## right. I keep seeing that ##\sqrt{x^2+r^2}## and thinking that I missed that I was supposed to do trig substitution somewhere along the way.
 
You formula for E is correct. You need to find x where the function ##\frac{x}{(x^2+r^2)^{3/2}}## has its extrema.

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