A small doubt about electric flux

[Joe Da Bro]

Hey there...
As far as I know, electric flux is a scalar quantity which means that negative values are smaller than zero. This concept really confuses me since most of the exercises I dealt with suggest that negative flux somehow is larger than zero flux

Example 1

the uniform field is directed to the right, which surface has the lower electric flux?
is it S1 which is negative or S2/S4/S5/S6 ( that's the correct answer according to my book)?

Example 2
https://lh6.ggpht.com/f3KBE_uxMhA2zCSgcxfdIu26-n0OOGrOHNwK7lQxsSYGp__YJLIWuP7uSkZUBVLUFpwJQw=s170
Which surface has the lower electric flux?
is it S2 which is negative or S1 which is zero ( that's the correct answer according to my book) ?

So is the problem with me or with the book itself or what exactly?
Thanks in advance.

 

[Simon Bridge]

Welcome to PF;
The amount of flux passing through a surface is a scalar - not the flux itself.
The flux may be positive or negative depending on which way it flows through the surface.

 

[Joe Da Bro]

Welcome to PF;
The amount of flux passing through a surface is a scalar - not the flux itself.
The flux may be positive or negative depending on which way it flows through the surface.

Isn't the flux itself a dot product? which also means it's scalar too. care to elaborate please?
Thanks for your reply...

 

[Simon Bridge]

A dot product of what with what?
Think of the flux as the amount of flow.

 

[Joe Da Bro]

A dot product of what with what?
Think of the flux as the amount of flow.

the electric field and the vector area

 

[Simon Bridge]

Backtrack - I think I can see a way through for you.
This is just like the component of the velocity vector in the x direction of interest is given by a dot product ($\vec v \cdot \hat i$), which will give a scalar, which may be positive or negative; but a negative speed is no slower than a positive speed. Similarly a negative flux is the same amount of flux as a positive flux, it's just headed into the volume rather than out of it ... and that is an arbitrary choice: it is just as good to define positive in and negative out.

 

[Joe Da Bro]

Backtrack - I think I can see a way through for you.
This is just like the component of the velocity vector in the x direction of interest is given by a dot product ($\vec v \cdot \hat i$), which will give a scalar, which may be positive or negative; but a negative speed is no slower than a positive speed. Similarly a negative flux is the same amount of flux as a positive flux, it's just headed into the volume rather than out of it ... and that is an arbitrary choice: it is just as good to define positive in and negative out.

that's what I wanted .. I am really thankful, just to make sure, negative flux>zero flux in both examples? if so then, all the doubt will vanish.. Thanks again!

 

[jtbell]

I think when your book asks about "higher" or "lower" they are referring to the magnitude (absolute value) of the flux. As a native English speaker, I personally would say "larger" or "smaller", instead, because that implies magnitude. Is this an English-language textbook, or are you trying to translate from some other language? Or maybe the book was written by a non-native English speaker.