A vessel with fluids of two different refractive indices

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The problem involves a vessel containing two fluids with different refractive indices, specifically one fluid with a refractive index of √2 and another with an unknown refractive index n. The objective is to determine the apparent depth of the vessel when viewed from above the fluids.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the addition of apparent depths from different media and question how refraction affects the perceived depth. There are attempts to derive expressions for apparent depth based on the refractive indices involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of how to calculate apparent depth. Some guidance has been offered regarding the adaptation of calculations based on the observer's position relative to the fluid surfaces, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of refraction at the interface of the two fluids and the assumptions regarding the observer's position. There is also mention of a method from a textbook that may or may not be valid, indicating uncertainty in the established approach.

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Homework Statement


both filled to height h in the vessel of length 2h. one has refractive index root 2 and the bottom fluid has refractive index n. find the apparent depth of vessel.

Homework Equations


n = real depth/apparent depth

The Attempt at a Solution


what these guys have done :

apparent depth = d/sqrt(2) + d/n

I don't get it, how do you add depths like these esp. when refraction happens at medium n and medium sqrt(2).?
 
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If you were in the medium of refractive index ##\sqrt 2##, what would be the apparent depth of the other medium?
 
Orodruin said:
If you were in the medium of refractive index ##\sqrt 2##, what would be the apparent depth of the other medium?

if I were at the bottom of interface at distance d, the apparent depth would be d*##\sqrt 2## /n. my guess was I'd add this to the ##\frac{d} {\sqrt 2}##, that's wrong apparently
 
Vriska said:
if I were at the bottom of interface at distance d, the apparent depth would be d*√2/n
Right.
Vriska said:
my guess was I'd add this to the d/√2
No. Adapt your correct answer above to the situation in which the observer is just under the surface of the upper fluid, then compare it with an object that really is at that depth in such a fluid. How would that be seen from just above that fluid?
 
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haruspex said:
Right.

No. Adapt your correct answer above to the situation in which the observer is just under the surface of the upper fluid, then compare it with an object that really is at that depth in such a fluid. How would that be seen from just above that fluid?

just under the upper fluid? Then thered be no refraction right?
 
haruspex said:
Right.

No. Adapt your correct answer above to the situation in which the observer is just under the surface of the upper fluid, then compare it with an object that really is at that depth in such a fluid. How would that be seen from just above that fluid?

okay mathematically : change in depth due to medium 2 = d- sqrt(2)d/n, due to medium 1 = d - d/sqrt(2), total change in depth is 2d - sqrt(2)d/n - d/sqrt(2) this is subtracted from total depth to get apparent depth . = sqrt(2)d/n +d/sqrt 2. wrong answer, right?
 
Vriska said:
just under the upper fluid?
Just under the (upper) surface of the upper fluid.
 
haruspex said:
Just under the (upper) surface of the upper fluid.

okay real depth at supper surface of upper fluid is d + d*sqrt(2)/n

so sqrt 2 = d +d*sqrt(2)/apparent depth. ad =d(n+sqrt2)/n*sqrt2. thanks! BTW, would you happen to know if the method used in the book make sense?
 
Vriska said:
would you happen to know if the method used in the book make sense?
Maybe, but I cannot think of a simple argument to support it. When in doubt, draw ray diagrams.
 

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