Abelian Simple Group / Prime Numbers

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of abelian simple groups, specifically examining the assertion that such groups are isomorphic to Zp for some prime p. Participants are exploring the implications of group structure and the definitions of simplicity and cyclicity.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the proof structure regarding the relationship between elements of the group and the implications for the group's order. There is a focus on the necessity of demonstrating that a cyclic simple group must have prime order, with suggestions to explore proper subgroups to reinforce this argument.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's reasoning and suggesting areas for further clarification. There is an acknowledgment that additional explanation is needed to solidify the proof regarding the prime order of the group.

Contextual Notes

Participants are operating under the assumption that G is an abelian simple group without limiting the discussion to finite groups. There is a focus on the definitions and properties of simple groups and cyclic groups in this context.

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Homework Statement



If G is an abelian simple group then G is isomorphic to Zp for some prime p (do not assume G is a finite group).

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In class, we were told an example of a simple group is a cyclic group of prime order.

The Attempt at a Solution



Let G be an abelian simple group. Let a be an element in G that is not the identity. Let H be a cyclic subgroup of G, H=<a>. Since a is an element in G, it's non-trivial. Since G is abelian, H is normal in G. Since G is a simple group, it has only 2 normal subgroups, the identity and itself. Thus, H=G. Since G is cyclic and an abelian simple group, it has prime order. Hence G is isomorphic to Zp.

I feel uneasy about the last 2 sentences. Any advice to make this a more solid proof?
 
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You have shown that whenever 1 \neq a \in G, then \langle a\rangle = G. You need one more sentence to explain why this fact shows that |G| is prime. (This sentence should replace "Since G is cyclic and an abelian simple group, it has prime order", which -- though you've added the observation that G is cyclic -- is what you're trying to prove.)
 
Yes, the last 2 sentences are a bit to fast. So far you've only shown that a simple abelian group must be cyclic. You must still show now that cyclic simple groups are of prime order.

How do we show that? Take a cyclic group that is not of prime order. Try to find a proper subgroup in there. This shows that our group is not simple...
 
an old thread, but I stumbled upon it looking for homework help so I figured I'd contribute anyway.

You must find a normal subgroup to show its not simple.
 

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