Aberration of light in classical and relatvistical cases

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of light aberration, exploring both classical and relativistic perspectives. Participants seek clarification on the phenomenon, its historical context, and its mathematical formulation, particularly in relation to observations made by astronomer James Bradley.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept of light aberration and requests a clear explanation, particularly in light of missing instruction from their professor.
  • Another participant questions the initial reference to a microscope, asking for clarification on the apparatus and observations related to light aberration.
  • A participant provides a basic understanding of light aberration, describing it in terms of photon behavior and frequency changes, though this interpretation is later contested.
  • Historical context is introduced, noting that James Bradley discovered light aberration in 1727, observing that stars appear to move in circles due to the motion of the Earth.
  • There is a disagreement regarding the definition of light aberration, with one participant asserting it relates to changes in frequency, while another insists it pertains to the angle of light rather than frequency.
  • A request is made for further clarification on classical and relativistic aberration, indicating a desire for deeper understanding of the topic.
  • A later post introduces mathematical expressions related to the derivation of relativistic aberration, emphasizing the use of four-vectors in special relativity.
  • One participant critiques the explanations provided in the thread, advocating for a more mathematical approach to understanding special relativity and light aberration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the definition of light aberration, with competing views on whether it relates to frequency changes or the angle of light. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to explain the phenomenon, particularly in the context of classical versus relativistic frameworks.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying their explanations, particularly regarding the mathematical formulations and historical observations. There is a lack of clarity on how to reconcile different interpretations of light aberration.

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i need someone to explain me the aberration of light , i tried to read i from my book its a bit more complicated than i thought i mean when we move the microcope we make a tilt what do you mean by that?
all in all i didnt understand this concept and i need a really clear explanation especially that our professor didnt come in the last week , when we needed him the most before the exams please help and thank you
 
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queenstudy said:
when we move the microcope

What microscope? :confused:

Can you describe the apparatus and observations in more detail? Don't assume everybody has read the same book that you have.
 
Hi queenstudy.
I do not know about your book either but I can give you a very basic idea of how I understand aberration of light. Instead of light let’s think of one photon. Basically aberration of light means the change in frequency of light. Let’s say we have a photon with a 0.9 Nano second light speed length when produced at a rest frame. If a photon emitter creates photons in opposite directions (in space at a resting frame) the photons will have the same length. Let’s also say this is in the middle of the visual range. Now we will take that same photon emitter in space to ½ the speed of light. The photon created in the forward direction of travel will have a 0.06 Nano second light speed length. This is because of the forward direction at the beginning of the photon creation and the end of the photon creation the spaceship contracted the rest frame photon by 1/3 of the photon distance. In the back of the emitter the photon is elongated and has a photon length of 1.2 Nano light speed length because the emitter moved away at ½ the speed of light. The back is considered red shifted and the front is considered blue shifted. The shorter the length of the photon the more energy it carries. This may or may not be what happens but it is a way of thinking about the aberration of light.
 
sorry for the misunderstanding okay?
the aberration fo light was discovered by bradley in 1727 where he observed that the stars appear to move in circles
he imagined that the observer(who is at the surface of the Earth and telescope as well moving to the right with spped v)
so inorder for the light, coming from the star, to pass down the telescope tube without hitting its sides , we should tilt the telescope by an angle alpha
do you want me to explain more or is it enough? i want to know how did he get alpha?
where tan(Alpha)=v/c where v is the speed of Earth and c is the speed of light(star)
 
Qzit said:
Basically aberration of light means the change in frequency of light.
No it doesn't. Aberration of light has to do with the angle that the light makes, not the frequency.
 
right so can you help me out please about classical and relativistical aberration?
 
queenstudy said:
i want to know how did he get alpha?
where tan(Alpha)=v/c where v is the speed of Earth and c is the speed of light(star)
Start here: Aberration of Starlight
 
Doc Al and jtbell, I must dissent.

I've always thought of special relativity as a simple subject, where the answers fell out almost automatically. Until, that is, I came to Physics Forums and read some of the 'explanations' offered! The goal, it seems, is to do it all without using the appropriate mathematics. Special Relativity is about four-vectors. With the use of four-vectors, most SR problems have a similar formulation and a quick solution.

But instead I see rambling multi-page verbal descriptions, with step after step and diagram after diagram. Maybe I have an unusually short attention span, but I tend to pass out halfway through such things. An analogous endeavor would be to attempt to explain the levels of the hydrogen atom without using the Schrödinger equation. And in fact, some people do try to do that! And it all looks like magic. But the most serious drawback is that nothing is learned. If you don't build the foundation of a uniform approach, the next problem will look just as challenging as the last.

Deriving the relativistic aberration is a one-liner. (Well Ok, maybe two.) A light ray is described by a propagation vector k = (kx, ky, kz, kt). Under a Lorentz transformation,

kx' = γ(kx + v/c kt)
ky' = ky
kz' = kz
kt' = γ(kt + v/c kx)

If the ray is propagating at an angle θ with the x-axis, k = (k cos θ, k sin θ, 0, k), and

kx'/ky' = γ(kx + v/c kt)/ky
⇒ cos θ'/sin θ' = γ(cos θ + v/c)/sin θ
 

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