Accelerometer within a freely rotating sphere?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the functioning of an accelerometer positioned within the center of a freely rotating sphere, such as a kicked football. Participants explore how the accelerometer would respond to linear acceleration and the effects of spin on its readings, as well as the potential for determining spin rate and axis using accelerometer configurations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether a triple axis accelerometer would provide linear acceleration readings in the X, Y, and Z axes when the ball is kicked from a standstill without spin.
  • Another participant suggests that with spin and velocity, 6 degrees of freedom are involved, indicating that 6 accelerometers or a multi-functional sensor would be necessary to avoid confusing values.
  • A participant questions how a second 3-axis accelerometer could yield different values from the first, suggesting that orientation might play a role in measuring rotational velocity.
  • It is proposed that two accelerometers positioned at a fixed distance apart could be used to measure different values related to rotational motion.
  • One participant clarifies that while a 3-axis accelerometer would measure translational acceleration, the changing orientation during rotation would affect the readings, leading to variable accelerations for the individual axes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of a 3-axis accelerometer for capturing all necessary data in the presence of rotation and spin, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to measure both translational and rotational dynamics.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the accelerometer's orientation and the effects of spin on its readings, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

andyfive
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Hi,

Please could someone explain how they think an accelerometer would work if positioned within the center of a freely rotating sphere (e.g a kicked football)? If using triple axis accelerometer and the ball was kicked from a standstill but with no spin, I would imagine that the accelerometer would give the linear acceleration in the X,Y and Z axis. Is this correct? What would then happen if the ball was kicked with an amount of spin? Would the accelerometer readings be meaningless due to the change in orientation of the sensor due to the spin?

Also, would it be possible to determine the spin rate/axis using some form of accelerometer configuration?

Any help would be most appreciated.

Many Thanks.

Andy.
 
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With spin and velocity, you have 6 degrees of freedom, so you would need 6 accelerometers (or some which can measure multiple things at the same time). With only 3, the measured result would somehow depend on spin and velocity at the same time, which might give confusing values.
 
mfb said:
With spin and velocity, you have 6 degrees of freedom, so you would need 6 accelerometers (or some which can measure multiple things at the same time). With only 3, the measured result would somehow depend on spin and velocity at the same time, which might give confusing values.

Thanks for your reply mfb. If I understand correctly, a 3 axis accelerometer would measure the translational acceleration in all 3 axis even though the ball is rotating but not the rotational velocity. How would a second 3 axis accelerometer measure different values to the first one? Would this need to be positioned/oriented differently to measure the rotational velocity?

Many Thanks.
 
Yes, you would need 2 of them at a fixed distance apart within the object.

An easier solution is a 6dof sensor; using 3 accelerometers & 3 gyros to capture all 6 values.
 
andyfive said:
If I understand correctly, a 3 axis accelerometer would measure the translational acceleration in all 3 axis even though the ball is rotating but not the rotational velocity.
This is right, but keep in mind that the orientation of the accelerometers would change during rotation, so a constant acceleration in one direction would give variable accelerations for the individual axes.
 

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