Achieving 500psi and 50C at the Tip of 1mm SS Tube

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The discussion focuses on achieving a specific air temperature and pressure at the tip of a 1mm internal diameter stainless steel tube connected to a compressed nitrogen gas source. Participants explore the challenges of heating air effectively while maintaining the desired pressure and temperature, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of the setup.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the setup involving a heating block and cartridge heaters, noting that the air temperature at the tip of the tube is lower than expected.
  • Another participant suggests that the air may be flowing past the heating section too quickly or losing heat too rapidly along the tube, proposing insulation or additional heating for the tube.
  • A different viewpoint raises the idea that increasing the internal volume of the heat exchanger could reduce flow velocity, potentially allowing for better heating.
  • Another participant points out that the gas cooling effect due to expansion at high pressure may be counteracting the heating effect of the heaters, indicating a complex interaction between pressure, temperature, and flow dynamics.

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Participants express differing views on the causes of the temperature issue and potential solutions, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus on the best approach.

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There are assumptions regarding the flow dynamics, heat transfer efficiency, and the impact of gas expansion that are not fully explored or quantified in the discussion.

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I am looking to get air to the tip of 1mm internal diameter (1.4mm OD) metal SS tube around 5 inches long that is connected to the source by 12 ft of brass tubing which is slightly larger in size than the SS tube.
The air pressure needs to be around 500psi to enable flow through the narrow tubing and a gas fliter.

The temperature of air required at the tip is 50 Celsius. I coupled a compressed nitrogen gas cylinder in my lab with a heating block. The heating block is made of aluminum and has 3 catridge heaters of 300W each arranged in interconnected holes within the block such that the incoming air moves over all the heaters and flows out to the brass tube. The heaters have about 2mm clearance with the holes in the block i.e. they do not touch the walls of the block.

What i have been observing is that while the aluminum block is getting quite hot within a minute of operation, the temperature of air obtained at the tip of the SS tube is actually a few degrees lower than room temp. I cut the brass tube at approx 2ft from the heating block out and the temp was only around 28-30C while the room temp was 25C.

Can you please help me understand why this is occurring and what changes i need to make to get the required temp at the tip. The cartridge heaters are around 5 in long and 1/2 in in dia. The metal block is around 7" x 6" x 2".
 
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Either the air is flowing past the heating section too fast to warm up or it is losing heat too fast as it travels along the tube or both. Sounds like the air is just cooling down quickly along the tube. Insulate or heat the tube.
 
So will increasing internal volume of the heat exchanger help as it will slow down the flow velocity at that segment..
 
If you have a cylinder of gas at 500 psi and room temperature, the gas will cool (a lot!) as it flows through your device and expands. Maybe your heater is just about canceling out that cooling effect.
 

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