Adding Vectors with parallelogram/triangular rule.

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The discussion revolves around a problem in vector addition using graphical methods, specifically the parallelogram and triangular rules. The original poster is tasked with determining the resultant force from two structural members under compression, with specified forces and angles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to create a diagram using the triangular rule but expresses uncertainty about its correctness and how to proceed with finding the resultant force. Some participants suggest using geometrical identities, such as the sine rule, while others point out potential errors in the original poster's diagram and offer guidance on how to properly position the vectors for addition.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the graphical representation of vectors and suggesting methods for calculating the resultant force. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some productive directions have been offered regarding the correct approach to vector addition.

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The original poster is constrained by the requirement to use graphical methods rather than rectangular components, which adds complexity to the problem-solving process. There are also indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the setup of the vectors in the diagram.

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Hello,

I am have slight problems with this problem. If I were able to use rectangular components, I'd be able to do it easily, but my professor was specific in that he wanted us to reach the solution using graphical methods.

The problem is:


"Two structural members A and B are bolted to a bracket as shown. Knowing that both members are in compression and that the force is 10 kN in member A and 15 kN in member B, determine the magnitude and direction of the resultant of the forces applied to the bracket by members A and B.

A rough sketch of the original diagram:

[PLAIN]http://a.imageshack.us/img210/4468/vector1f.png

And my attempt at making the diagram using the triangle rule.

[PLAIN]http://a.imageshack.us/img706/8850/vector2b.png

If my 2nd diagram is correct, how would I go about solving for the resultant force?




Thanks!
 
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You could use a variety of geometrical identities relating to triangles, for instance the sin rule.
 
I understand that, but I am having trouble figuring out how to apply that.
 
I'm going to have to bump this! :p
 
No, you don't have to bump anything! And doing that too often just might get you banned.

Your basic problem is that your picture is wrong. You want to add the two vectors and what you show is their difference. You should have your vector "B" with its tail at "A"s tip. That will give you three angles made with the vertical, the top angle being 40 degrees and the lowest angle being 20 degrees. Since those add to 60 degrees and the three must add to 180 degrees, the middle angle, which is an angle in the triangle formed after you draw in the resultant, is 180- 60= 120 degrees. You now have a triangle in which you know the "lengths" of two sides and the angle between them. You can use the cosine law to find the "length" of the third side, the magnitude of the resultant vector. Then you can use the sine law to find the other two angles, giving you the angle the resultant vector makes with the vertical.
 

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