Adjusting Air Column Length with Water: Why No Waves?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the phenomenon of sound waves in an air column and the effects of introducing water to change the length of that column. Participants explore the implications for wave behavior, reflection, and energy loss in different media.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why waves do not pass into the water when the air column length is adjusted with water, suggesting that this would prevent standing waves from forming.
  • Another participant explains that waves reflect off interfaces between different media due to differing "impedance," noting that water is more difficult to displace than air.
  • A participant raises the point that water also absorbs sound, implying that some sound energy is lost when transitioning from air to water.
  • It is noted that while some sound enters the water, most is reflected back into the air, and that energy loss occurs more significantly at the open end of the air column than at the closed end with water.
  • One participant asserts that sound waves cannot reflect off an object without losing energy, emphasizing that standing waves require continuous input of energy to maintain amplitude due to inherent energy losses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of sound waves at the air-water interface, particularly regarding reflection, absorption, and energy loss. There is no consensus on the implications of these factors for the formation of standing waves.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the complexities of wave behavior at media boundaries, including the assumptions about energy loss and the definitions of impedance and absorption. Mathematical details regarding energy loss mechanisms are not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in acoustics, wave behavior in different media, and the physics of sound may find this discussion relevant.

atavistic
Messages
105
Reaction score
0
In many problems , to change the length of the air column we use water but I don't understand why waves don't pass into water and then the reflected wave will have less amplitude and hence standing waves could not be formed.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Waves tend to reflect off any interfaces between media, because the different media have a different "impedance." In this situation, you can think get away with thinking of impedance as simple resistance -- water is much harder to shake than is air.

- Warren
 
Ye, but water will absorb also right?
 
Yes, some of the sound will enter the water. If you're swimming underwater and a bomb goes off in the air above, you'll hear it! :smile:

But most of the sound is reflected back into the air.

In air column experiments like you describe, much more energy is lost at the open end of the column than at the closed (water) end. After all, some of the sound has to come out the open end so we can hear it.
 
By the way I believe that there are no waves existing that reflect of an object without loosing any energy, particularly with soundwaves which loose their energy to the traverse wave, and to dispersion and heat. The standing wave induced by boundaries can only be maintained by continuously providing amplitude to the insident wave, so the loss can be overcome.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
5K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
6K