Advanced Vector Problem: Ships

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The problem involves three ships A, B, and C, each with specified velocities. The task is to demonstrate a relationship between the velocities based on the condition that the velocities of A and B relative to C are equal in magnitude and perpendicular.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the condition that the relative velocities are perpendicular and question the initial setup regarding the expressions for relative velocities.

Discussion Status

Some participants have pointed out potential misunderstandings in the formulation of relative velocities, suggesting a need to clarify the definitions being used. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of the perpendicular condition.

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The discussion has been moved to a different section, indicating a reassessment of the problem's complexity and relevance to the current topic area.

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Homework Statement


Three ships A, B, and C move with velocities \vec{v_{1}} \ \vec{v_{2}} \ \vec{u} respectively. The velocities of A and B relative to C are equal in magnitude and perpendicular. Show that \left | \vec{u} -\frac{1}{2}(\vec{v_{1}} + \vec{v_{2}}) \right |^{2} = \left | \frac{1}{2}(\vec{v_{1}} - \vec{v_{2}}) \right |^{2}

Homework Equations


Algebraic scalar product, vector product(?), magnitude of a vector.

The Attempt at a Solution


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lowea001 said:

Homework Statement


Three ships A, B, and C move with velocities \vec{v_{1}} \ \vec{v_{2}} \ \vec{u} respectively. The velocities of A and B relative to C are equal in magnitude and perpendicular. Show that \left | \vec{u} -\frac{1}{2}(\vec{v_{1}} + \vec{v_{2}}) \right |^{2} = \left | \frac{1}{2}(\vec{v_{1}} - \vec{v_{2}}) \right |^{2}

Homework Equations


Algebraic scalar product, vector product(?), magnitude of a vector.

The Attempt at a Solution


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I can't see very well what you've done. Why not start with the condition that the relative velocities are perpendicular? What does that give you?
 
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The relative velocities are ##\ \vec{v_1}-\vec{u} \ ## and ##\ \vec{v_2}-\vec{u} \ ##

NOT ##\ \vec{v_1}+\vec{u} \ ## and ##\ \vec{v_2}+\vec{u} \ ##
 
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PeroK said:
I can't see very well what you've done. Why not start with the condition that the relative velocities are perpendicular? What does that give you?
I tried scalar product and equating to zero but as SammyS just noticed the problem seems to be in the initial statement that v1 + u is the relative velocity in the first place. Thank you!
 
SammyS said:
The relative velocities are ##\ \vec{v_1}-\vec{u} \ ## and ##\ \vec{v_2}-\vec{u} \ ##

NOT ##\ \vec{v_1}+\vec{u} \ ## and ##\ \vec{v_2}+\vec{u} \ ##
Thank you very much.
 
Moved to Precalc section, as there is no calculus involved.
 

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