Age of Tree Sample: C14 Dating and Decay Rate

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The discussion revolves around determining the age of a tree sample using carbon-14 dating. The original poster presents a problem involving the activity of a carbon sample and the equilibrium concentration of carbon-14 to carbon-12.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore how to calculate the initial amount of carbon-14 based on the given ratio and total mass of the sample. Questions arise regarding the manipulation of the small ratio of carbon-14 to carbon-12 and the implications for calculating the number of nuclei present.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about the ratio of isotopes and the calculations involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of the ratio, and there is acknowledgment of the need to use decay constants in further calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the challenge of working with very small quantities of carbon-14 in relation to carbon-12, as well as the need for clarity on the decay constant to proceed with the calculations.

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Homework Statement


The equilibrium concentration of C14/C12 ≈ 1.5×10−12
A 2.5 g sample of Carbon from an old tree fragment has an activity of 4.57 decays per minute. How old is the sample?

Homework Equations


I'm pretty sure I use A(t)=λN(0)*exp(-tλ)
but I am having trouble calculating N(0)! The amount of C14 c.f. C12 is so tiny I don't know how to manipulate the ratio to get the mass of C14, and thus the number of nucli, in the sample. Thanks!
 
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I don't see why the smallness of the ratio should present any difficulty.
 
Well I was trying to calculate the amount of C14 present by dividing 2.5g by (1 + 1.5×10−12), am I doing this the wrong way?thanks
 
Yes, that's wrong. You have

C14/C12 ≈ 1.5×10−12

so

C14 ≈ 1.5×10−12 C12
 
Ah yes I see that but then I was having trouble working out the actual amount of C12 that there was 1.5×10−12 of C14 to. surely there is something like 0.00000000001g of C14 in the sample?
 
Fixxxer125 said:
surely there is something like 0.00000000001g of C14 in the sample?
How did you come up with that?
 
Well I thought for every 1g of C12 there is 1.5×10−12g of C14? so if there are 2.5g in total basically all of this must be C12?
 
Yes, it's virtually all C12, but the amount of C14 you calculated is wrong.
 
Could you give me a bit of help on doing the ratio please?Thanks!
 
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Originally the ratio of C14 to C12 was the same as the equilibrium ratio. But C14 decayed in the isolated sample.
The original amount of C14 was 2.5 x1.5-12 gram. It means quite a lot of atoms, you can not take it zero!

You need lambda to solve the equation for t. Do you know it?

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  • #11
Oh yea, I know T1/2 so can work it out, many thanks!
 

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