Air escaping out of can with hole

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a can with a hole, specifically examining the forces acting on the can when air escapes versus when air is sucked in. Participants explore the pressure gradient forces and the resulting motion of the can in both scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the can moves when air escapes, suggesting that the pressure gradient force from the air is responsible for the can's motion.
  • Others propose that the can does not move when air is sucked in due to the lack of a mechanical opposite force, leading to confusion about the dynamics involved.
  • One participant notes that the two scenarios are not mechanically opposite, highlighting the differences in pressure dynamics between air exiting and entering the can.
  • Another participant explains that the force acting on the wall opposite the hole is not canceled, which contributes to the acceleration of the can.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of the can's motion in relation to air movement, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the pressure dynamics and the mechanical interactions between the can and the surrounding air that are not fully explored or defined, leading to potential gaps in understanding.

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Individuals interested in fluid dynamics, mechanics, or those studying the principles of pressure and motion in gases may find this discussion relevant.

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In the first figure, air goes forward and the can goes backward. My question is why does the air exert the pressure gradient force on the can.

Can I have a hint for why the can doesn't move when air is being sucked in in the second photo.
 
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versine said:
Can I have a hint for why the can doesn't move when air is being sucked in in the second photo.
Why do you think it does not move ?
 
I think I got my first question it's because there's more area on the left side of the can.
 
Baluncore said:
Why do you think it does not move ?
Because I saw the answer lol.
 
You do realize that the two scenarios are not the mechanical opposite of one another.
Case 1. High pressure gas in the can exits to lower pressure atmosphere.
Case 2. Atmospheric pressure gas enters into a lower pressure can.
 
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versine said:
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In the first figure, air goes forward and the can goes backward. My question is why does the air exert the pressure gradient force on the can.
Are you asking why the first container will accelerate? Imagine the gas exerts the same pressure on all walls. All wall parts have an opposite wall part, and their opposite forces cancel. Except for the piece of wall opposite to the hole, which has no opposite wall part, and thus the force acting on it is not canceled. So the whole container will accelerate to the left.

versine said:
Can I have a hint for why the can doesn't move when air is being sucked in in the second photo.
The second container will initially accelerate to the right for the same reason. The exterior pressure force on the wall part opposite to the hole is not canceled, because there is no wall opposite to it.
 
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