Air Torus Hoverboard: Is it Possible?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating a hoverboard that utilizes a continuous torus of air for support. Participants explore the theoretical and practical aspects of generating and maintaining an air torus, considering its potential applications and limitations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of using a fan to create a continuous flow of air to sustain a toroidal vortex, suggesting it could support a hoverboard.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the stability of linearly moving air tori, noting that maintaining such structures may be challenging due to the nature of cycloidal superposition.
  • A participant questions the strength of the air particles' tendency to maintain a toroidal shape, suggesting that the Coanda effect might assist in directing the airflow.
  • Another contributor discusses the inertia of fluid tori and proposes the idea of undulating tori that match boundary conditions, while also questioning the dynamic feasibility of a continuous fluid torus in space and time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and stability of maintaining a continuous air torus, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various assumptions about fluid dynamics and the behavior of air particles, but these remain unresolved within the discussion. The complexity of maintaining a toroidal structure in practical applications is also noted.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring fluid dynamics, engineering concepts related to hovercraft technology, and theoretical physics regarding vortex behavior.

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Hi everyone.

As you may know, it is possible to create a torus or toroidal vortex of air. Some toys such as the air zooka create a torus of air that travels across a room to knock down a light object.

Do you think it is possible to create a device that produces a continuous torus of air? Obviously you would need a continuous flow of air would could be produced by a fan. That way the air torus is sustained and keeps going.

Then when you have this air torus going , do you think it would be possible to float an
object on top of the torus? Like a hoverboard? The bottom of the air torus would push against the ground, and the top would support the bottom of the board. So the air torus would stay in the same place.

It may not work. Because the torus would not have sufficient strength to hold up the board. But then an air torus or smoke ring seems to have a self sufficiency that keeps its geometry in place, at least for a short time.

You could have a hoverboard with two air torus generators blowing the air torus or torii down on to the ground, supporting the board. The air torus generators would consist of a fan blowing air through a nozzle or simply a hole. There may be more effective ways of generating an air torus.

I would be interested to hear what you think of this idea.
 
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The problem I see with attempting to generate linearly moving, congruent tori of air is similar for their circular cross-sections: cycloidal superposition is generally discontinuous for all but an infinitesimal of points. Maintaining tori would be possible for those with sustained cycloidal symmetries (expansion, rotation, etc.) and those whose cycloidal amplitudes coincide periodically.
 
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Thanks for the reply.

So do you mean that the tendency of the air particles to maintain a torus is fairly weak?
The coanda effect might be helpful in directing the air particles.
 
A fluid torus tends to maintain its inertia, as you mentioned. So would a series of undulating tori, where each matches the boundary condition of the one preceding and following.

As for attaining a fluid torus continuous in space and time, modeled by a near-infinite fluid cylinder with finite walls, it may be dynamically impossible. A suitable approximation might be an individual toroidal fluid disturbance directed into a truncated cone of deceasing diameter, but this assumes an extension to the device in question.
 

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