Al-W Phase Diagram: Research & Info Source

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Al-W (Aluminium-Tungsten) phase diagram, specifically focusing on the historical methods used to create the diagram and the challenges associated with producing a bulk alloy from these two materials. Participants express interest in both the original research and contemporary methods for alloy creation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks information on the original creation of the Al-W phase diagram by Clark W.D. in 1940, expressing difficulty in accessing the journal article.
  • Another participant mentions that the phase diagram can be generated using methods such as Differential Scanning Calorimetry (DSC) to determine phase transitions, although high temperatures may affect accuracy.
  • It is proposed that homogenizing the mixture and rapidly quenching it can help deduce phases and their compositions at equilibrium, which may have been the method used by Clark W.D.
  • One participant expresses a desire for more specific details about the experimental methods used in 1940 to create the diagram.
  • Participants discuss options for creating alloys with different melting points, including atomic-level mixing and using high heat flux methods like electric arc furnaces.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of creating a bulk alloy due to the significant difference in melting temperatures of aluminium and tungsten.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the challenges of creating an alloy from aluminium and tungsten, but there is no consensus on the specific methods used by Clark W.D. in 1940 or the details of his experimental approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations in accessing historical research materials and the potential impact of high temperatures on experimental accuracy, but these aspects remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to researchers and students in materials science, metallurgy, and those specifically studying phase diagrams and alloy production techniques.

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hey all.

i am doing some research about the Al-W system.
and i wanted to find out how the diagram was made.

i searched and found who made it -

Clark W.D.: "THE ALUMINIUM-TUNGSTEN EQUILIBRIUM DIAGRAM", J. Inst. Met. 66 (1940)
271–286.


but i can't find any more info , and i cand find the journal...

anyone here can help me?

in getting the journal , in getting the info somewhere else , anything...

thanks.
 
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lol.

i don't need the diagram. i know how it looks , and i have it.

i am interested in how they came up with it.
who made it and how.
 
there's a couple ways to make these

first, the use of cooling curves by DSC can determine phase transitions. if the temperatures are too high, this method cannot produce accurate results.

second, homogenize the mixture, rapidly quench to prevent re-equilibration, and examine the phase contents from which you can deduce the phases and their compositions which are in equilibrium with each other at the quench temperature. this is most likely the method used to generate the diagram.
 
thx for the answer, but still...

i was kinda hoping for more information about the first diagram that was made...in 1940...
i was hoping to find the way HE did it...

the final purpose is to succesfully make a bulk from tungsten-aluminium that can holg great temp...

but i am having problems making this bulk - since the melting temp are so far away from each other...
 
you would have two options to create an alloy consisting of phases with different melting points

first, create your precursor materials with atomic-level mixing, eliminating the need for long diffusion distances to form a homogeneous alloy.

if this is not possible, you need a high heat flux method to rapidly heat the materials prior to volatilazation. this is the purpose of electric arc furnaces. arc melting in a copper skull will probably do the trick.
 
well...i was afraid the answer would be the arc...

but how did the guy in 1940 made his diagram? i now he made it in some sort of experiment...but i don't know how...
 
Hi, do you find the way how he did it already?
 

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