Algebraic Structure to solve a linear system of 2 variables?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying the appropriate algebraic structure to use when solving a system of two linear equations with two variables, specifically through the methods of substitution and elimination. Participants explore the implications of using groups, rings, fields, and integral domains in their explanations of the solution process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on which algebraic structure (group, ring, field, integral domain) to use for solving a system of linear equations, noting the need to explain each step using properties from that structure.
  • Another participant suggests that for systems of equations, inverting operators on vector spaces over fields is typical, recommending the field as the fundamental algebraic structure.
  • A subsequent reply confirms the choice of field and inquires about the correct notation for expressing this structure in the context of their problem.
  • One participant argues that only the ring structure of integers is necessary for this specific case, mentioning that since integers form an integral domain, cancellation laws can be applied without division.
  • Another participant introduces a more complex example involving group structures and mentions advanced topics related to free groups and right-angled Artin groups, though this seems tangential to the main focus on linear equations.
  • A final post questions whether the discussion is limited to the ring of integers, indicating a potential misunderstanding or clarification needed regarding the algebraic structures involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate algebraic structure to use, with some advocating for the field of rational numbers while others suggest that the ring of integers suffices. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best structure for the specific problem at hand.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty about the specific systems being discussed and whether they reside in the integers or another structure. The implications of using different algebraic structures on the solution process are not fully settled.

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Hi folks, I'm hoping to get your opinions about something.

If i were given two linear equations and needed to solve for x and y using the methods of "substitution" and "elimination", what algebraic structure should i use? I can solve the systems just fine, but I'm trying to "explain" each step using properties of groups, rings, fields etc... and it's difficult without deciding on the structure.

1. I must pick from (group, ring, field, integral domain) to solve a system.
2. Once i have chosen the algebraic structure, i'll cite theorems/properties for EACH step of the solutions.


Take this system, which yields one solution (3, 2).

x + y = 5
x - y = 1

Here's the work anyone would do to solve the system in the two methods:

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For the "elimination" method:

x+y=5
x-y=1

1(1x+1y)=(5)1 Multiply the top equation (both sides) by 1
-1(1x11y)=(1)(-1) Multiply the bottom equation (both sides) by -1

note 1+(-1)=0

add eqns together

(1x-1x)+(1y+1y)=5-1
(101)x+(1+1)y=5-1
1+(-1)x+(1+1)y=5-1
0+(1+1)y=5-1
2y=4

divide both sides by 2...
2y/2=4/2
y=2

plug into eqn x+y=5
1x+1(2)=5
1x=5-2 subtract 2 from both sides
1x=3
(1/1)(1)x=(3)(1/1) mult both sides by (1/1)
x=3

So solution is (3,2)

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By the "substitution" method:

x+y=5
x-y=1

solve for y in eq

1y=5-1x Subtract 1x from both sides
y=(5-1x) Divide both sides by 1
y=5-1x

substitute

1x+(-1)(5-1x)=1
1x-1(5)-1(-1)x=1 Distribute -1 to 5-1x
1x-5+1x=1

1x-5+1x+5=1+5 Add 5 to both sides
1x+1x=6
2x=6

(1/2)(2/1)x=(6/1)(1/2) Mult both sides by (1/2)
x=3

Substitute into eq

1(3)-1y=1
3-1y=1
-1y=1-3 Subtract both sides by 3
-1y=-2
(1/(-1))(-1)y=(-2/1)(1/(-1)) Mult both sides by 1/(-1)
y=-2/(-1)
y=2

So solution is yet again (3,2)

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If i had to solve an equation with 1 variable and 1 solution x, like x + 2 = 5 i would solve it using properties in a "group" <Z,+> where + is the normal binary op of addition in Z.

But since (as my work shows above for each method of solving a system with 2 eqns) i now have two binary operations (and rational numbers) so i cannot solve the system in a "group" of integers.
So when solving a system like x + y = 5 and x - y = 1 for x and y, would i then be in a field (of rationals) since i have two binary operations and fractions?

Once i know what structure I'm working in, i can then cite specific properties and theorems from that structure at each step of my work. Note i need to do this twice; once for the "elimination" method and once for the "substitution" method.

The start of my solution will start with a line that looks like:

To solve this system of linear equations, i will be in the (group, ring, field, integral domain) represented by <Z,R,Q,+,x,?,?> where + and x are the ordinary binary ops of the (integers, real numbers, rational numbers).

Can anyone help me fill in the blanks so it flows better? I'm new to this material so I'm not fluent just yet...


Then once the structure is decided, i will cite theorem from that structure that look like:

For any a and b in a (group, ring, field, integral domain) <Z,R,Q,+,x,?,?> if we know a=b, then for any c we know that a*c=b*c...

Can anyone tell me if I'm on the right track? I'm thinking field of rational numbers, but I'm not sure if that's the easiest... Thanks in advance!
 
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This may not be official enough, but with systems of equations, you're typically talking about inverting operators on vector spaces over fields. So I would pick the field as the fundamental algebraic structure.
 
Ahh perfect. I'll choose the field then- but how do i write the notation? I know if i was working in a group i'd write:

"To solve, i will be in the group <Z,+> where + is the ordinary binary operation in Z."

So for this system in the field with rationals as well as integers, would i write:

"To solve, i will be in the field <Q,+,x> where + and x are the ordinary binary operations in Q." ?
 
it turns out that in this case, only the ring structure of Z is needed. in fact, since Z admits a rather obvious description as a Z-module, in truth, only the abelian group structure of Z is needed.

in general, however, most systems of Z-linear equations require the field Q to solve (this will be the case if the solutions are not in Z itself). the reason we can get away with solving these in Z, is that Z is an integral domain, so we can apply the cancellation laws in lieu of dividing.

one caveat: it is not explicitly stated what system 5 and 1 reside in. the integers are probably what was intended.
 
A statement like $2x+2y+2z=0$ in $\langle\mathbb{Z}, +\rangle$ is equivalent to $x^2y^2z^2=1$ when we write the group multiplicatively. Equations like this have been much studied, and quite frankly the solutions to these problems, in the 'easiest' case (of free groups), go way over my head! (The solutions use, I believe, Sela's $\mathbb{R}$-trees, whatever they are!)

However, it has been shown recently that if your group is something called a right-angled Artin group (which includes both free groups and free abelian groups) then if $x^py^2q^r=1$ then there exists some $g\in G$ such that $x, y, z\in\langle{g}\rangle$. Which is pretty neat! (The case of free groups and $p=q=r=2$ has been known since 1959.)
 
So I'm only working in the ring <Z,x,+> of integers?
 

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