All causes are catalysts, do you agree?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between causes, catalysts, and activation potentials in events and phenomena, including the propagation of memes. Key points include the idea that every true cause may not necessarily act as a catalyst, raising questions about determinacy and intelligibility of causes. Participants explore whether an "activation potential" must be crossed for events to occur, with examples like the moon rising illustrating the concept of inherent potential already being present. The conversation also touches on the nature of change and the role of energy, challenging the notion that energy is merely a measure of probability. Ultimately, the dialogue reflects on the complexities of causation and the limits of scientific inquiry into causes that may be deemed unintelligible.
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Do you think every true cause of an event is the event's catalyst?

Do you think that some "activation potential" must be crossed for any event which may occur to occur?

Do you think that some "activation potential" must be crossed for a meme to propogate further?

If a given cause is never a catalyst, is the cause never determinate?

If the cause is never determinate, may it ever be intelligible?

If it can never be intelligible, can science study it?
 
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I would say meaningless, meaningless, yes, meaningless (I think), no, no. I think the meaningless ones don't matter either way.
 
motives are the key here
 
I'm waiting for kmarinas to respond rather than writing a fat response.
 
Ok, do you want me to talk about your answers?
 
kmarinas86 said:
Do you think every true cause of an event is the event's catalyst?

Do you think that some "activation potential" must be crossed for any event which may occur to occur?

Do you think that some "activation potential" must be crossed for a meme to propogate further?

If a given cause is never a catalyst, is the cause never determinate?

If the cause is never determinate, may it ever be intelligible?

If it can never be intelligible, can science study it?

If catalysts increase the probability of a reaction occurring, why do they happen? If the definition of energy is the potential to do work, then why do things change if energy is another measure of probability? What causes things to change?
 
kmarinas86 said:
...Do you think that some "activation potential" must be crossed for any event which may occur to occur?...
Suppose an event which may occur in the future = the moon will rise tomorrow. I find no "activation potential" to be crossed for this event to occur if it does occur, only the continued existence of the Earth and the moon.
 
regent said:
If catalysts increase the probability of a reaction occurring, why do they happen?

Probable cause.

regent said:
[W]hy do things change if energy is another measure of probability?

Um. Probability is not measured in joules, ergs, eV, or anything like that.

regent said:
What causes things to change?

Probable cause.

Rade said:
Suppose an event which may occur in the future = the moon will rise tomorrow. I find no "activation potential" to be crossed for this event to occur if it does occur, only the continued existence of the Earth and the moon.

The activation potential is not "to be" crossed. It already has done so long ago. There is no change in "activity" necessary for this to occur. There is no change in orbital "frequency" necessary for this to occur. The necessary activity and frequency have been present in the system, and no energy has to be added.
 
Kmarinas, I take it that when one asks a question, they should anticipate the answer. Therefore, I gave answers which might or might not be consistent with your anticipation. Now I wait for you to tell us what your anticipation was, and how my answers corresponded to your intuitions.
 
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verty said:
Kmarinas, I take it that when one asks a question, they should anticipate the answer. Therefore, I gave answers which might or might not be consistent with your anticipation. Now I wait for you to tell us what your anticipation was, and how my answers corresponded to your intuitions.

I has no idea as to what to ancipate.

kmarinas86 said:
Do you think every true cause of an event is the event's catalyst?

Do you think that some "activation potential" must be crossed for any event which may occur to occur?

Do you think that some "activation potential" must be crossed for a meme to propogate further?

If a given cause is never a catalyst, is the cause never determinate?

If the cause is never determinate, may it ever be intelligible?

If it can never be intelligible, can science study it?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, no, no.
 
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Okay then, that settles it.
 
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