Allowed combinations of remaining quantum numbers when n = 3

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The discussion revolves around the allowed combinations of quantum numbers for an atom with a principal quantum number n = 3 and an angular momentum quantum number l = 2. Participants are exploring the implications of these quantum numbers on the number of electrons in the closed subshell.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the significance of the spin quantum number and its allowed values, as well as the range of the magnetic quantum number m. There are questions about the relationship between these quantum numbers and the eigenvalues of the operators \hat{L}_z and S_{z}.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the values that m and m_{s} can take, and there is an ongoing exploration of how these values combine. While there is a suggestion of a total number of electrons, the discussion remains open without a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the definitions and relationships between quantum numbers in the context of a closed subshell, with some uncertainty about the implications of eigenvalues related to the operators involved.

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Hey everyone

I couldn't really fit a good description into the title. Basically here's what it is.

Consider an atom in which all the states with principal quantum number n = 3 and angular momentum quantum number l = 2 are occupied by electrons (this is called a closed subshell). List the allowed combinations of the remaining quantum numbers m,m_{s} which are related to the eigenvalues of \hat{L}_{z},S_{z}. Hence, how many electrons are in the n = 3, l = 2 closed subshell?


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Dont know of any

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't have a clue...need some help T_T
 
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What's the spin of an electron? That determines the allowed values for ms. What's the thing that tells you what values m can take?
 
Spin of an electron is either +1/2 or -1/2...that's m_{s} right? as far as m goes, is that the one that ranges from -l to +l...so it has 2l+1 values right? I just don't get what all this has to do with the eigenvalues of \hat{L} and S_{z}...
 
So m is the eigenvalue corresponding to operator \hat{L}_z, and ms corresponds to \hat{S}_z.

You basically got it, now you just need to figure out which values can m and ms take together, and how many combinations there are.
 
for m = 1/2:
m = -2, -1, 0, 1, 2

for m = -1/2
m= -2, -1, 0, 1, 2

So total is 10 electrons...?
 
Yap that looks correct
 

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