Alternating Current Generator (Magentic Field.)

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The discussion revolves around an alternating current generator involving a rectangular loop in a magnetic field. The problem includes calculating induced emf, current at a specific angle, and time-averaged power over a complete revolution.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of induced emf at t=0 and question the significance of time in the equations provided. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between angular frequency and time, as well as the implications of the loop's orientation in the magnetic field.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and clarifications. Some have provided guidance on the use of equations and the interpretation of variables, while others are exploring different aspects of the problem without reaching a consensus.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the wording of the problem and the definitions of variables, particularly concerning the frequency and angular relationships. Some participants express uncertainty about the calculations and the assumptions being made.

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Homework Statement



An alternating current generator consisting of a rectangular loop of length a = 0.1xm and width b = 0.1ym with
N= 1w0 turns is rotated at a frequency f = 1.z Hz in a uniform magnetic field B= 0.1 T which points into the page.
A load resistance R = 10 Ω completes the generator circuit. At time t = 0, the loop is momentarily vertical (Parallel to B really).
x,y and z are known constants.
(a) What is the induced emf in the circuit at t =0?
(b) Calculate the current in the loop when it has
rotated through an angle of π/6 radians.
(c) Calculate the time-averaged power developed in
the circuit over a complete revolution.
Hint: calculate the average value of sin(2θ)

Homework Equations


emf = NABωsin(ωt).
ω = θ(in radians) x f.
emf = IR.


The Attempt at a Solution


The emf is 0 at t = 0 due to sin(0) = 0.
For part (b), how do you find t?
Is t = 1/f?
Finally, I calculated the average value of sin(2θ) for part (c) but have no clue where to go from there. Any suggestions would be great! Thanks.
 
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DAPOS said:

Homework Statement



An alternating current generator consisting of a rectangular loop of length a = 0.1xm and width b = 0.1ym with
N= 1w0 turns is rotated at a frequency f = 1.z Hz in a uniform magnetic field B= 0.1 T which points into the page.
A load resistance R = 10 Ω completes the generator circuit. At time t = 0, the loop is momentarily vertical (Parallel to B really).
x,y and z are known constants.
(a) What is the induced emf in the circuit at t =0?
(b) Calculate the current in the loop when it has
rotated through an angle of π/6 radians.
(c) Calculate the time-averaged power developed in
the circuit over a complete revolution.
Hint: calculate the average value of sin(2θ)

Homework Equations


emf = NABωsin(ωt).
ω = θ(in radians) x f.
emf = IR.


The Attempt at a Solution


The emf is 0 at t = 0 due to sin(0) = 0.
The equation emf = NABωsin(ωt) is a general description for this situation, but t=0 is not arbitrary.

A better form is: emf = NABωsin(ωt+)

You are going to have to think about what's happening, rather than treat this as merely a maths substitution exercise. The first step is to draw a large diagram.
 
NascentOxygen said:
The equation emf = NABωsin(ωt) is a general description for this situation, but t=0 is not arbitrary.

A better form is: emf = NABωsin(ωt+)

You are going to have to think about what's happening, rather than treat this as merely a maths substitution exercise. The first step is to draw a large diagram.

Ok, so I've been having a think about it and haven't made too much progress to be honest. 1) Could you explain what that blank box stands for in the eq. that you've given me?

2) So, emf = the negative of the rate of change of magnetic flux i.e. emf = -N d(∅)/dt. Which is the general formula, NABωsin(ωt). Could you explain the significance of this t? I mean, is it the time that taken to complete one revolution or part of a revolution?

ω = d(θ)/dt ⇔ θ = ωt. So, I take it that I can replace this ωt with θ?

Finally, at t = 0, the loop is vertical in the B field so the area vector of the loop is parallel/ anti-parallel to B. Thus θ = 0 (or some multiple of pi). Thus emf = NABωsin(0) which is 0. So, at t= 0 emf = 0.

For (b) I believe it's emf = IR, I = emf/R...where emf = NABωsin(θ). Also, ω = θ(in radians) x f, yes?

Thanks for all the help. Could you, or anyone else for that matter, take a look at that and see if it makes sense? Thanks!
 
DAPOS said:
Ok, so I've been having a think about it and haven't made too much progress to be honest. 1) Could you explain what that blank box stands for in the eq. that you've given me?
Sorry, that is supposed to show as the Greek symbol, Phi, standing for a phase angle.

Maybe it renders correctly here: emf = NABωsin(ωt+ɸ)
2) So, emf = the negative of the rate of change of magnetic flux i.e. emf = -N d(∅)/dt. Which is the general formula, NABωsin(ωt). Could you explain the significance of this t? I mean, is it the time that taken to complete one revolution or part of a revolution?
The time in seconds to complete one revolution = 1/f = 2π[/size]/ω
where ω is in radians/sec.
Finally, at t = 0, the loop is vertical in the B field so the area vector of the loop is parallel/ anti-parallel to B. Thus θ = 0 (or some multiple of pi). Thus emf = NABωsin(0) which is 0. So, at t= 0 emf = 0.
When the loop is parallel to the flux lines, a tiny change in angle will cause a large change in the number of magnetic field lines passing through the loop. There is no orientation where this will be more pronounced.
For (b) I believe it's emf = IR, I = emf/R...where emf = NABωsin(θ)
Correct.
 
DAPOS said:

Homework Statement



An alternating current generator consisting of a rectangular loop of length a = 0.1xm and width b = 0.1ym with
N= 1w0 turns is rotated at a frequency f = 1.z Hz in a uniform magnetic field B= 0.1 T which points into the page.
A load resistance R = 10 Ω completes the generator circuit. At time t = 0, the loop is momentarily vertical (Parallel to B really).
x,y and z are known constants.
(a) What is the induced emf in the circuit at t =0?
(b) Calculate the current in the loop when it has
rotated through an angle of π/6 radians.
(c) Calculate the time-averaged power developed in
the circuit over a complete revolution.
Hint: calculate the average value of sin(2θ)

Homework Equations


emf = NABωsin(ωt).
This is correct if the normal to the loop points into/out of page at t=0. Which I think is the case here, although the problem is very poorly worded.
ω = θ(in radians) x f.
No. ω = 2πf. f =1.2 Hz if I understand the problem wording. One cycle is 1/f = T seconds.

The Attempt at a Solution


The emf is 0 at t = 0 due to sin(0) = 0.
For part (b), how do you find t?
You don't.
Use your emf formula for emf with θ = ωt = π/6.
Is t = 1/f?
No, t is the time, a variable, starts at t=0 and ends whenever.

Finally, I calculated the average value of sin(2θ) for part (c) but have no clue where to go from there. Any suggestions would be great! Thanks.

Average power over 1 cycle is ∫{(emf)2/R}dt integrated over time T, then divided by T. You have all the data you need to proceed from here.

I would ignore the hint. Can't imagine what they had in mind there.
 
Thanks for all the help guys. Great stuff!
 
Wait, are the units of time averaged power just going to be Watts or Watts/s?
 
Ok, so for part (b) I've calculated e=NABw(sin(theta)) where w = 2pi x f. I then divided this answer by R (10 ohms) to get the current. Apparently this is the wrong answer. I've checked the calculation a number of times so it isn't an arithmetic error. Any ideas?
 
  • #10
DAPOS said:
Ok, so for part (b) I've calculated e=NABw(sin(theta)) where w = 2pi x f. I then divided this answer by R (10 ohms) to get the current. Apparently this is the wrong answer. I've checked the calculation a number of times so it isn't an arithmetic error. Any ideas?

Did you use π/6 for theta?
 
  • #11
Yup.
 
  • #12
DAPOS said:
Wait, are the units of time averaged power just going to be Watts or Watts/s?

Power is power, whether averaged or not. Power is in Watts.
 
  • #13
DAPOS said:
Yup.

What was your answer? I want your N, A, B, w and sin(theta) too.
 
  • #14
2.293 x10^-3. The letters w,x,y and z correspond to the values 6,2,3,6 respectively.
 
  • #15
DAPOS said:
2.293 x10^-3. The letters w,x,y and z correspond to the values 6,2,3,6 respectively.

Not what I got. Repeat: N,A,B,w, sin(pi/6) please ...
 
  • #16
Well, this is embarrassing...my calculator wasn't actually set to radian mode. Sorry for wasting your time man!
 
  • #17
DAPOS said:
Well, this is embarrassing...my calculator wasn't actually set to radian mode. Sorry for wasting your time man!

No prob, man, but for further action please send the parameters I asked for. :smile:
 
  • #18
Will do! Thanks again.
 

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