Aluminium Oxidation: Reusable Portable Circuit Solutions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of aluminium oxidation in the context of portable circuit solutions, particularly exploring the feasibility of using aluminium in a vacuum to create a battery-like system. Participants examine the mechanisms of oxidation, circuit closure, and charge development in aluminium plates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes storing a high surface area aluminium plate in a vacuum and exposing it to oxygen to create a rapid oxidation reaction, questioning how to close the circuit in a portable application.
  • Another participant mentions zinc-air batteries as an analogous system, noting their peculiar property of lasting a fixed duration regardless of load.
  • A participant seeks clarification on circuit closure, suggesting that the circuit is already closed in the proposed setup.
  • One participant questions whether a charge develops on the surface of an aluminium sphere when exposed to pure oxygen.
  • Another participant inquires if oxidation on one side of an aluminium plate results in a charge developing on the opposite side.
  • A later reply asserts that no charge develops on the opposite side of an oxidized aluminium plate, challenging the previous inquiries and suggesting a need for foundational knowledge in redox reactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of charge development and circuit closure, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the behavior of aluminium in oxidation processes and the principles of circuit design may not be fully articulated, leading to potential gaps in understanding the proposed concepts.

Samson4
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I have watched many videos of aluminium air batteries and it got me wondering. Could this same process work if you stored the aluminum in vacuum and exposed it to oxygen? For example:

A high surface area aluminium plate is in a glass bulb under high vacuum. A copper lead connects to the aluminium to a load. If we break the bulb the aluminium will rapidly oxidize. How do you close the circuit? I know you could ground it but what about in aportable application? Reusability and controlled current flow are of no concern.
 
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My hearing aids run on zinc-air batteries, which are analogous. They are tiny. They have the strange property for batteries that once exposed to the air, they run out in 8 days regardless of how much electric power is supplied to the load. Full load, zero load, still lasts 8 days.
 
Samson4 said:
How do you close the circuit?

In what you described the circuit is already closed.

Whole trick with every battery is to have both half reactions separated so that electrons can flow through an external circuit, instead of jumping from one atom/ion/molecule to another directly.
 
If we released pure oxygen inside an aluminium sphere, a charge would develope on its surface correct?
 
I guess a better question would be; when 1 side of an aluminium plate is oxidized, does a charge develop on the opposite side?
 
Samson4 said:
I guess a better question would be; when 1 side of an aluminium plate is oxidized, does a charge develop on the opposite side?

No. I told you how it works. Please read any general chemistry book on redox reactions and cells and you will see what it is all about, right now you are just wild guessing.
 
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