AM Demodulator: SSB -> AM; Op Amp?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the demodulation of Single Sideband (SSB) signals into Amplitude Modulation (AM) signals, specifically exploring the use of operational amplifiers (op-amps) in this process. Participants examine the methods and requirements for recovering audio from SSB signals, including the role of beat frequency oscillators (BFO) and product detectors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that an op-amp could be used to input an SSB signal into both inverting and non-inverting inputs to produce an AM signal.
  • Another participant counters that the original carrier is necessary to extract audio from an SSB signal, emphasizing the need for a BFO in receivers.
  • A detailed method is provided by a participant, describing the process of converting SSB to an intermediate frequency, using a crystal filter, and injecting a local oscillator signal to recover audio, highlighting the use of product detectors and mixers.
  • Some participants mention that while op-amps may be useful, specialized chips like the NE602 and SA612 are more effective for product detection and mixing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial suggestion of using an op-amp for SSB demodulation. There is disagreement regarding the necessity of the original carrier signal and the methods for demodulating SSB signals.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the functioning of SSB and AM signals, the role of various components in demodulation, and the potential limitations of using op-amps versus specialized chips.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals studying radio circuits, amateur radio enthusiasts, and those interested in signal processing techniques may find this discussion relevant.

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Greetings Physics Forums,

I'm reading up on Radio Circuits and studying for my General's Amateur Radio License and was learning about AM Demodulators.

I understand that in AM you can use a peak detector to get the modulated audio out however in SSB radio don't you have to double the signal so as to invert it to produce the AM and then demodulate it?

So seeing if the above is correct would it be possible to just input the SSB Signal into an Op-Amp in both the inverting and non-inverting inputs to end up with the AM signal?

Thanks for everyone's time, I appreciate it! :)

Respectfully,
Voltux
 
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No. You cannot do that. You need the original carrier back to get the audio out of a SSB signal. In receivers this is called the BFO, or beat frequency oscillator.
 
The usual method of recovering SSB is to convert it to an intermediate frequency (say 14 MHz to 455 KHz) then pass it through a crystal filter at 455 KHz, then amplify it and then inject a 455 KHz local oscillator signal at a frequency corresponding to where the carrier would have been if this was an AM signal.

This is done with a product detector, which is a type of mixer. The oscillator used like this is a BFO. Beat Frequency Oscillator.

The output of this is audio which you then amplify and send to a speaker.

You may be able to use an opamp for some of this, but there are specialized chips like the NE602 and SA612 which work very well as product detectors and mixers.
 
vk6kro said:
The usual method of recovering SSB is to convert it to an intermediate frequency (say 14 MHz to 455 KHz) then pass it through a crystal filter at 455 KHz, then amplify it and then inject a 455 KHz local oscillator signal at a frequency corresponding to where the carrier would have been if this was an AM signal.

This is done with a product detector, which is a type of mixer. The oscillator used like this is a BFO. Beat Frequency Oscillator.

The output of this is audio which you then amplify and send to a speaker.

You may be able to use an opamp for some of this, but there are specialized chips like the NE602 and SA612 which work very well as product detectors and mixers.


Thanks! Consider my question solved. I'm following Scott Harden's plans for the SA612 and reading through the 2011 ARRL Handbook for Radio Communications as well. Just trying to get a block view I suppose of how a SSB Receiver would work as opposed to an AM.

http://www.swharden.com/blog/ - For those interested.
 

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