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Amanda Todd

  1. Oct 14, 2012 #1
    It's tragic that a teenager committed suicide. What's more sad is that how her death has become a sensational media story and attracted attention of people who are making jokes on her suicide.

    I believe it's people like these who pick on vulnerable children on the internet. These people should be behind the bars. This is the reason I applaud the arrest overs April Jones case.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-memorial-pages-targeted-by-negative-messages

    Besides all this negative attraction, I also found broadcasting the teenage video in the news distasteful.
     
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  3. Oct 14, 2012 #2
    I agree, and it's not just this story, it's a lot of stories that are on the news recently. Sometimes I think the comments section on places like yahoo, youtube, and msn bring out the idiots.

    I've also read how vicious some people have been to the mom of Jessica Ridgeway, seriously she just lost her daughter in a horrific way.
     
  4. Oct 14, 2012 #3
    I don't, but I'm from America where we have freedom of speech.
    People should be allowed to be jerks. It's a slippery slope when you arrest people for being offensive.
     
  5. Oct 14, 2012 #4
    It depends where you are from .. in other countries, jerks who mock teenage deaths see consequences for their actions.
     
  6. Oct 14, 2012 #5
    It's their countries, so they can have whatever rules they want. But I don't think it's right. You arrest someone for being offensive, then where does it end? Do you arrest jerks for drawing Muhammed? That's extremely offensive to some people. You start doing that then you might as well convert to Sharia.
     
  7. Oct 14, 2012 #6
    I think there's a difference between saying offensive things and harassing someone.

    If you see someone being offensive on the internet, then you can block them. If they actively try to make you see these offensive things, then that's harassment.

    I think that there needs to be more education in regards to handling online trolls. A simple guideline that I follow is that if someone is saying things that are simply offensive and have no other purpose, then that person is probably a troll. The best thing to do in that situation is block them.

    If someone is harassing you, and simply blocking them doesn't stop them, then you need to report them. This is pretty much the same thing as "call the teacher when you are being bullied". However if someone is hacking your stuff... then I'm pretty sure that can be illegal depending on what's going on. Then you can even call the police on them.
     
  8. Oct 14, 2012 #7
    It's parents responsibilities not to let your 12-16 years old talk to random strangers on the internet. There have been so many cases of people on the internet actively targeting young people. Going back to Amanda Todd, she shouldn't have been abused by others for so long.

    But I wouldn't expect 12-16 years to handle these situations by themselves. Educating them is important but not all that needed.
     
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  9. Oct 14, 2012 #8

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    Why didn't her parents get her off of facebook?
     
  10. Oct 14, 2012 #9
    I was bit surprised how it went so far yet the teenager did not received proper help. Most of the blame goes to parents but I believe it's also the teachers and classmates responsibility not to let these things happen. It's scary what kind of things some teenagers go through and end up destroying their lives.
     
  11. Oct 14, 2012 #10

    Evo

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    Where were her parents?
     
  12. Oct 15, 2012 #11
    It appears her parents are separated:
     
  13. Oct 15, 2012 #12
    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Amanda+Todd+speaks+about+daughter+death/7384521/story.html

    apparently she was being stalked on the internet by some guy who would use facebook to spread rumors about her that would result in her being ostracized from the school

    I am very concerned about how the article talks about how "exhibitionism" in young teens is "not unusual".

    And I'm pretty sure that the actions of this guy who has stalked her are illegal. Or at the very least, they should have informed the authorities about what was happening.


    I think that people need to be more aware of how to protect themselves on the internet. This applies to both kids and parents. I don't think there should ever be a situation where a young girl is able to send pictures of herself like that to strangers on the internet. It just shouldn't happen. I think that it's a matter of making sure that parents watch their children's internet activities closely.
     
  14. Oct 15, 2012 #13

    Good point, or keep her completely away from the internet, unless it had to do with school work. Also they should have put her in some sort of support group.

    I think kids today have it a lot harder than kids of previous years, just cause of the internet.
     
  15. Oct 15, 2012 #14

    Was the guy that stalked her an ex boyfriend?
     
  16. Oct 15, 2012 #15
    no, apparently it was a complete stranger that she met on the internet

    probably via one of those chat sites
     
  17. Oct 15, 2012 #16
    It appears to be a widespread problem. I recall reading a while ago about people on internet luring girls into pornography or prostitution: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12597245

    Also as of present, many parents are not even enough computer literate to know what their children are doing on the computer.
     
  18. Oct 15, 2012 #17

    Ryan_m_b

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    Déjà vu much. The idea that harassment and non-verbal assault laws are a threat to freedom of speech baffle me. The right to be found offensive is not synonymous with the right to vindictively harass someone to the point of suicide.
     
  19. Oct 15, 2012 #18

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    The first responsibility lies with parents. Ignorance of technology is not an excuse. If a parent has the slightest doubt, they should say no. Non-exposure to something (however fashionable) is never harmful, where exposure may be potentially harmful. Where parental responsibility fails, and Facebook and ISPs and the rest are found wanting, I am happy for the law (U.K.) to step in and look after our vulnerable people.
     
  20. Oct 15, 2012 #19

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    I'd expand that a bit to include teachers and any other adults in her life that are meant to recognise and step in when bullying occurs. However I don't think we should be so quick to judge those adults yet without knowing more. It's very easy for a child to hide bullying, depression and self harm for adults even if they are seeking help on public sites online.

    PZ Myers has an interesting blog piece on freedom of speech partially inspired by this case
    http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng...ee-speech-is-not-freedom-from-responsibility/
     
  21. Oct 15, 2012 #20
    I was responding to the comment he made about the guy who was arrested for posting "offensive comments" about April Jones, the girl who disappeared.
     
  22. Oct 15, 2012 #21

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    New technology doesn't make that a new problem. Arguably "growing up" has been about breaking free from parental control one way or another, ever since there have been parents.

    For most kids, that's a normal and healthy state of affairs, but for some it goes horribly wrong.

    You could argue that there is far too much "control" over kid's lives these days. When I was a kid, it was perfectly normal and acceptable for 8 year olds to be away from home on their own for most of the day, without any communication options available (and I don't mean "away from home but safe inside a school"). Sure, we sometimes scared ourselves witless, but that was just part of the learning processes. Nobody was bothered that we might kill ourselves, or get abducted, or whatever.
     
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  23. Oct 15, 2012 #22
    Most common law jurisdictions stick to the principle that dead cannot be defamed. Whatever may be said about Amanda Todd now, howsoever offensive, hurtful, or malicious lie, cannot harm her corpse. (Not even if they manage to persuade her family to smash her gravestone, as happened to sir James Savile... even if Todd family were persuaded to harm Amanda´s yet unburied corpse, it is not a kind of legal harm her accusers should answer for.)
     
  24. Oct 15, 2012 #23
    It doesn't hurt corposes but it's just uncivil to defame someone dead regardless of what a person did when he was alive. It's disturbing how many people would go joke about dead teenagers when given anonymity.
     
  25. Oct 15, 2012 #24

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    This girl deserves everything that happened to her including her death. She was 15 years old and flashed her breasts, did sexual things on webcam with strangers, and acted like a complete *you know what* so it is no one's fault but her own. She was foolish and idiotic. I don't see any reason to vilify those who are mocking her.
     
  26. Oct 15, 2012 #25
    It is. She deserved something, but some of the treatment she suffered was worse than she deserved, and that is the fault of people who treated her so.
     
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