Amount of black hole entropy inside the Universe?

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The discussion centers on the concept of entropy in the universe, specifically focusing on the comparison of black hole entropy to the entropy of the rest of the universe. Participants explore how the entropy of black holes is determined and question the methods used to ascertain the absolute entropy of other components of the universe, such as ordinary matter and radiation.

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  • The original poster (OP) questions how the absolute entropy of the rest of the universe is known to compare it with the entropy of black holes.
  • Some participants request references to support claims about entropy in the universe.
  • The OP provides a reference that discusses the entropy of photons from the Big Bang and estimates the entropy of stellar-mass black holes.
  • One participant asserts that the entropy of the rest of the universe can be calculated based on its composition, which includes ordinary matter and photons.

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The discussion reveals some disagreement regarding the sources of information on entropy and the methods of calculation. While there is a reference provided, the initial skepticism about the claims indicates that multiple views remain on the topic.

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Participants express uncertainty about the sources of information regarding entropy and the calculations involved, highlighting a need for clarity on definitions and methodologies used in entropy assessments.

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Now, it's been said that the majority of the entropy in the universe resides within the cumulative entropy of black holes inside the universe. How do they know that?
Now, I'm not so interested in how they determine the black hole's entropy, I know there's a relatively simple formula for that. What I'm curious to know is how do they know what the absolute entropy of the rest of the universe is to compare it to the black holes within it?
 
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bbbl67 said:
Now, it's been said
By whom? Where?
 
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In order to answer we need references please.
 
Please PM me when you have the reference you wish to discuss and I will reopen the thread for you. In the meantime, I have closed it to reduce the number of “we need references” replies
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The OP has a reference and the thread is reopened
 
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Here's the reference:
Entropy in the Universe | Azimuth
https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2020/01/25/entropy-in-the-universe/

The entropy in all the photons in the Universe is even more! The Universe is full of radiation left over from the Big Bang. The photons in the observable Universe left over from the Big Bang have a total entropy of about 1090 bits. It’s called the ‘cosmic microwave background radiation’.

Black holes have immensely more entropy than anything listed so far. Egan and Lineweaver estimate the entropy of stellar-mass black holes in the observable Universe at 1098 bits. This is connected to why black holes are so stable: the Second Law says entropy likes to increase.
 
bbbl67 said:
how do they know what the absolute entropy of the rest of the universe is
Because we know what "the rest of the universe" is made of: ordinary matter and photons. And we know how to calculate the entropy of those things.
 
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