Amount of scattering calculated from scattering cross section

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of scattering from the scattering cross section, specifically in the context of Rayleigh scattering of light by nitrogen in the atmosphere. Participants explore the relationship between the scattering cross section, nitrogen density, and the resulting fraction of light scattered per meter of travel.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the fraction of light scattering per meter is derived from the scattering cross section, referencing a Wikipedia article.
  • Another participant requests to see the calculations to identify any errors in the approach.
  • A participant later identifies that their initial confusion was due to incorrect numerical values used in their calculations.
  • Participants discuss the calculation of nitrogen density using the ideal gas law, with one providing a specific calculation for nitrogen density at room temperature and pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the initial confusion regarding the calculations, but participants agree that the ideal gas law can be used to determine nitrogen density. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact calculations and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the use of the ideal gas law and provide different values for nitrogen density, indicating potential variability in assumptions or conditions used in their calculations.

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I was reading Wikipedia article on Rayleigh scattering and came upon this:

"...the major constituent of the atmosphere, nitrogen, has a Rayleigh cross section of 5.1×10^(−31) m^2 at a wavelength of 532 nm (green light). This means that at atmospheric pressure, about a fraction 10^(−5) of light will be scattered for every meter of travel."

I am embarrassed to say that I am confused how the fraction of scattering per meter has been arrived at, starting from the scattering cross section.

I tried the following: dI/ I = -(nitrogen density)*(cross section)*(path length)

and you get an exponential decay form but when I calculated the decay constant it was way too small. What am I doing wrong here?
 
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Well you see my work above, a differential equation.

Anyway I found out that it was simply an error of plugging in wrong numbers. Here is the answer I got.

total cross section = 5. 1 x 10 ^(-31) m
density of nitrogen = 1.251 kg / m^(3) (I don't know the source) / (mass of nitrogen molecule) ~ 2.7 x 10^(25) / m^3

decay rate = density * cross section ~ 1.4 x 10^(-5) / m

So I = I_0 * exp (-x/ l) ~ I_0 (1- x/l) => for x = 1m, the reduction in intensity is 1.4 x 10^(-5) * I_0, around what Wikipedia says.
 
wc2351 said:
Anyway I found out that it was simply an error of plugging in wrong numbers.
I expected that, and it is impossible to find out if you don't post the actual calculation.

The density of nitrogen can be calculated with the ideal gas law, and room temperature and pressure.
 
Ah yes, I should have posted the actual (wrong) numbers in the first place. I'll behave better next time.

Thanks for pointing out the ideal gas law; 1 atm * 1 / (k*300K) gives me 2.45 X 10^(25) particles per cubic meter, which is pretty close to the value I found above.
 

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