Amplitude problem — Car shock absorbers going over a bump

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a car's shock absorbers as it drives over periodic bumps on the road. The bumps have a height of 5 cm and are spaced 5 cm apart. The car's weight is 1500 kg, and the damping effect of the shock absorbers reduces the deflection by half with each oscillation. Participants are tasked with determining the oscillation amplitude while the car is traveling at a speed of 20 km/h.

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  • Participants discuss various attempts to calculate the amplitude, with some suggesting that the amplitude is related to the height of the bumps and the damping effect. Others question the assumptions made regarding the relationship between the car's weight and the amplitude.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have provided equations related to forced damped oscillations, while others are questioning the definitions and assumptions used in their calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or solution at this time.

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Participants note the importance of distinguishing between the amplitude of oscillation and the height of the bumps. There is also confusion regarding the role of the car's weight and the damping constant in the calculations. Some participants express uncertainty about how to apply the given information effectively.

  • #31
According to the question we can write also e^bt/2m=1/4
 
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  • #32
robax25 said:
F=force acts on the spring
No, it can't be that. To fit in dimensionally with the rest of your equation it has to be an acceleration, not a force. Also, the rest of that equation is time-independent, so it cannot be anything that varies over time.
I believe it should be the driving amplitude (resulting from the bumps in the road) multiplied by the spring constant.
See http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waves/node13.html for a suitable model for this problem.
robax25 said:
ω'= damped angular velocity
Your equation has ω, not ω'. They are different.

If the height of each bump is 5cm, what amplitude of driving oscillation is that?
What is the value of the spring constant?
What is the undamped frequency (ω) of the spring?
All of those can be deduced from the given information.
 
  • #33
the amplitude of driving oscillation is 2.5cm
spring constant k=73575N
ωo(natural frequency)=7 rad/s
m=1500kg
According to your link,
X0=ωo²Xo/√((ωo²-ω²)²+v²ω²) v= damping constant
v=ωom/(2π*m/ΔE/E)
v=7rad/s*1500kg/(2π*1500kg/0.5) As energy loss is 50%:

v=0.557 kg/s

ωo=ω as driven frequency X0=ωo²Xo/vωo
= 31.4cm
 
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  • #34
robax25 said:
Car's shock observer works fine,damping the deflection to half each oscillation
It has at last dawned on me what this is saying.
It means that if the car were standing still and you were to push it down by 10cm and let go then it would bounce up and down, with the next down being only 5cm below equilibrium. From this you can calculate the damping constant (but it is not trivial).

I think it is clear that the answer to the question should be significantly less than the height of the bumps, so no more than 1mm. (I calculate it to be a lot less.)
 
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  • #35
I did not consider speed of the car, it has to consider. I will ask him again.
 
  • #36
robax25 said:
I did not consider speed of the car, it has to consider. I will ask him again.
No need to bother your prof again, I understand the question statement now.
First, solve the differential equation just for the car bouncing up and down on its springs. So this is damped (with unknown constant) but no forcing. (Or maybe you have a standard solution for that in your notes.)
Using that solution, figure out how much the amplitude reduces each period. You are told that it halves, so this allows you to find the damping constant.

Use the given velocity to find the forcing frequency.
 
  • #37
the differential equation would be like that,
d²x/dt² +2Qωo dx/dt + ω²x=0 here Q=daming factor, Q= b/2√mk
b=daming constant kg/s
 
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