An integration problem using trigonometric substitution

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The discussion revolves around the integral ##\int\sqrt{1+9y^2}##, with participants exploring trigonometric substitution as a method for solving it. The original poster attempts to transform the integral using the substitution ##9y^2=\tan^2\theta##, leading to expressions involving ##\sec^2\theta## and derivatives related to ##dy##.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the transformation of the integral and the calculation of ##dy##, with some suggesting the need for additional factors. There are mentions of alternative methods, such as hyperbolic substitution and integration by parts. Questions arise regarding the limits of integration and the manipulation of trigonometric identities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on using hyperbolic functions or integration techniques, while others express confusion about specific steps in the process. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note challenges with integrating functions involving absolute values and express uncertainty about specific trigonometric identities. There is also mention of textbook references that may provide additional context or examples relevant to the integral at hand.

  • #31
mech-eng said:
Now it seems that I can solve ##\sec^3\theta## hence I can solve the question. This is my result I have arrived at. Would you please check it?

##sec\theta=\frac {\sqrt {\frac13^2~+y^2}} {\frac13} ##

##\frac13\int sec^3\theta=\frac13 3\sqrt{{\frac13}^2+y^2}~~3y+\frac13 \frac12 ln |sec\theta+tan\theta|##

Substituting the values obtained and cancelling out,

##\frac13\int sec^3\theta=3\sqrt{\frac13^2+y^2}~~y+\frac16ln|\frac {\sqrt{\frac13^2+y^2}}{\frac13}|##

In the end, is this the solution?

P.S: When I asked this question, I thought this was a very straightforward and short question with a few easy steps.

Remember the integration constant C.

Here is what I get:##\frac{1}{3} \int sec^3(\theta) d\theta = \frac{1}{6} (9y \cdot \sqrt{(\frac{1}{3})^2 + y^2}## ##+ \ln \left|3 \big(\sqrt{(\frac{1}{3})^2 + y^2} + y) \right|)##+ C
 
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  • #32
mech-eng said:
Now it seems that I can solve ##\sec^3\theta## hence I can solve the question. This is my result I have arrived at. Would you please check it?

##sec\theta=\frac {\sqrt {\frac13^2~+y^2}} {\frac13} ##

##\frac13\int sec^3\theta=\frac13 3\sqrt{{\frac13}^2+y^2}~~3y+\frac13 \frac12 ln |sec\theta+tan\theta|##

Substituting the values obtained and cancelling out,

##\frac13\int sec^3\theta=3\sqrt{\frac13^2+y^2}~~y+\frac16ln|\frac {\sqrt{\frac13^2+y^2}}{\frac13}|##

In the end, is this the solution?

P.S: When I asked this question, I thought this was a very straightforward and short question with a few easy steps.

You can check it for yourself: just differentiate the "answer" and see if it delivers the original integrand. This is something that you should get in the habit of doing, every time.
 
  • #33
The original problem
##\int\sqrt{1+9y^2}dy##
can be solved without any substitution , just integrating by parts:
##\int{\sqrt{1+9y^2}(1)dy}=\sqrt{1+9y^2}y-\int{\frac {9y^2}{\sqrt{1+9y^2}}dy}##
Add and subtract 1 to the numerator of the fraction in the integral, it decomposes into two terms, one is the original integral, the other integral is a basic one. :smile:
 
  • #34
ehild said:
The original problem
##\int\sqrt{1+9y^2}dy##
can be solved without any substitution , just integrating by parts:
##\int{\sqrt{1+9y^2}(1)dy}=\sqrt{1+9y^2}y-\int{\frac {9y^2}{\sqrt{1+9y^2}}dy}##
Add and subtract 1 to the numerator of the fraction in the integral, it decomposes into two terms, one is the original integral, the other integral is a basic one. :smile:

I don't understand what you do here mostly because there is no fraction in the original problem. It is just a square root of square of an expression of y.
 
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  • #35
mech-eng said:
I don't understand what you do here mostly because there is no fraction in the original problem. It is just a square of an expression of y.
It is the integral in the second line.
 

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