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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving an object of mass, m, being accelerated upwards from rest, with a focus on deriving a formula related to the universal force of gravitation. The formula presented is FG = (1.6x10^15) x (m/x^2t^4), which raises questions about its validity and the assumptions behind it.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants express confusion regarding the problem's setup and the origin of the formula. Some question the dependence of gravitational force on distance to the center of the Earth rather than just the distance above the surface. Others suggest testing the formula with specific values for speed and time to evaluate its correctness.

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The discussion has evolved with participants exploring the implications of the formula and questioning its accuracy. Some have indicated that they believe a typo may have influenced the problem, and there is a recognition that the formula may not hold under certain conditions.

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There is mention of a potential typo in the problem as presented by the teacher, which may have contributed to the confusion among participants. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the relationship between gravitational force and distance in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


an object of some mass, m, is accelerated upwards (from rest) off the surface off the Earth for some unknown time, t. At the end of this time, the object is traveling at some new speed, x. Derive the following formula. That is, show that no matter how much time the rocket travels for, as long as you know the speed of it in the end, the equation for the universal force of gravitation between the object and the Earth is given by:
FG = (1.6x10^15) x (m/x^2t^4)

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FG = (1.6x10^15) x (m/x^2t^4)

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I have attached a photo of my work, to the point that I got stuck on.
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This problem doesn't quite make sense to me. Where did you get it?

(Note that the gravitational force depends on the distance to the center of the earth, not just on the distance above the surface.)
 
Doc Al said:
This problem doesn't quite make sense to me. Where did you get it?

(Note that the gravitational force depends on the distance to the center of the earth, not just on the distance above the surface.)

This is question I have been stuck on, in my weekly assignment. May you explain the part of the problem that doesn't make sense.
 
Vraj Patel said:
May you explain the part of the problem that doesn't make sense.
Plug in a few values for speed and time. If the distance traveled in that time is small, the gravitational force should equal mg. Does it?
 
Doc Al said:
Plug in a few values for speed and time. If the distance traveled in that time is small, the gravitational force should equal mg. Does it?

would you like me to plug it into the FG = (1.6x10^15) x (m/x^2t^4) formula.
 
Vraj Patel said:
would you like me to plug it into the FG = (1.6x10^15) x (m/x^2t^4) formula.
Yes.
 
Doc Al said:
Yes.
I am sorry for using your time, but my teacher made a typo, and I figured out the problem.
 
Vraj Patel said:
I am sorry for using your time, but my teacher made a typo, and I figured out the problem.
That's ok - it happens. (Hope I am not being presumptuous answering for Doc Al.)
 
Vraj Patel said:
I am sorry for using your time, but my teacher made a typo, and I figured out the problem.
No problem at all. I was leading you to plug in some values that would convince you (and your teacher!) that the given formula cannot possibly be correct. But no harm done. I'm glad your teacher found the typo.

haruspex said:
(Hope I am not being presumptuous answering for Doc Al.)
Not at all. :smile: I agree with you.
 

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