An Unsolvable Differential Calculus Problem: What is the Limit?”

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The discussion revolves around a differential calculus problem related to a biological application involving the elimination of a substance from the body. The original poster seeks to determine the limiting concentration of the substance as time approaches infinity, given a specific differential equation.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the rate of change of the substance and its relationship to the limiting concentration. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the differential equation and the conditions under which the limiting concentration is reached.

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Participants have engaged in a back-and-forth regarding the nature of the limiting concentration and the time it takes to reach half of that concentration. Some guidance has been offered on rewriting the differential equation, but there remains uncertainty about the original poster's understanding of the limiting concentration itself.

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The original poster notes constraints related to the course focus on differential calculus, which may limit their ability to integrate or apply certain methods typically used in solving such problems.

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This is biological application question, so the limit can't be negative infinity, which is what I would use as my answer for a regular question.

The rate at which substance is eliminated from the body is proportional to the amount of substance present, and satisfies the differentail equation dx/dt=a-bx, where a and b are positive constants. What is the limiting concentration of substance(limit as t goes to infinity of x(t))?

Can't integrate for this because it's a course on differential calculus only. Any pointers?
 
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Well, what is the rate of change of the amount once the amount has reached a constant level?
 
Rate of change is zero... So, x=a/b when the limiting concentration is reached. What do I do with this?

Thank you for replying so fast
 
Well, so what is then the limiting concentration you were asked about?
 
laminar, the rate of change is zero as t goes to infinity (this should be intuitive).
 
But then another part of the question asks the time it takes to reach half of the limiting concentration... I'm lost.
 
You DO know that the solution of the diff.eq f'=af for some constant f is an expontential function, right?
 
Yes, I know that I would find the time by x=x0e^kt.
 
laminar said:
Yes, I know that I would find the time by x=x0e^kt.
No, you don't, because your diff.eq is slightly different!
First, do the following rewriting of your diff.eq:
\frac{dx}{dt}=-b(x-\frac{a}{b})
with initial condition: x(0)=x_{0}

Then, introduce the new variable y(t)=x(t)-\frac{a}{b}\to\frac{dy}{dt}=\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]<br /> <br /> Thus, your diff.eq can be written as:<br /> y(t)=-by(t)\to{y}(t)=Ae^{-bt}\to{x}(t)=\frac{a}{b}+Ae^{-bt}<br /> where A is a constant to be determined by the initial condition:<br /> x_{0}=x(0)=\frac{a}{b}+A\to{A}=x_{0}-\frac{a}{b}<br /> <br /> Therefore, your solution is:<br /> x(t)=\frac{a}{b}+(x_{0}-\frac{a}{b})e^{-bt}<br /> <br /> Now, you are to find the time T, so that x(T)=\frac{x_{0}}{2}<br /> <br /> We therefore have to solve the following equation for T in terms of the other parameters:<br /> \frac{x_{0}}{2}=\frac{a}{b}+(x_{0}-\frac{a}{b})e^{-bT}<br /> Can you do that?
 
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I'm sorry. I thought the question was to find the time T so that you have half the INITIAL concentration.
In order to find the time t* to half the limiting concentration, adjust the last step accordingly.
 
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Ah, much thanks. Forgive me, I'm an arts student taking math courses.
 
  • #12
Arts or no arts, have you found your answer now?
 
  • #13
Yeah I get how to find t, but I still don't get how to find the limiting concentration.
 

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