Analysis: Inverse Function Theorem

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Inverse Function Theorem in relation to a specific function, particularly focusing on the behavior of its derivative within a given interval. Participants are examining the implications of the theorem when the derivative is zero at certain points.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants are debating whether the Inverse Function Theorem can be applied when the derivative is zero at a point within the interval. Some assert that the function remains monotone increasing and can still have an inverse despite the zero derivative. Others question the interpretation of the theorem's requirements regarding the derivative's behavior near specific points.

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The discussion is active, with participants presenting differing interpretations of the theorem and its conditions. Some have offered clarifications regarding the necessity of the derivative being nonzero near the point of interest, while others are exploring the implications of choosing different intervals for analysis.

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There is a focus on the interval in which the theorem is being applied, with some participants suggesting alternative intervals that avoid points where the derivative is zero. The original poster and others are grappling with the definitions and conditions set forth by the theorem.

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The function is monotone increasing, it does have an inverse even if the derivative happens to be zero at point. And you don't have to evaluate f'(pi/2) to solve the problem, you have to find f'(f^(-1)(-1)). What's f^(-1)(-1)?
 
Dick said:
The function is monotone increasing, it does have an inverse even if the derivative happens to be zero at point. And you don't have to evaluate f'(pi/2) to solve the problem, you have to find f'(f^(-1)(-1)). What's f^(-1)(-1)?

I know I'm not evaluating at that point. To me, it seems that the theorem states that for every x in the interval the derivative of the function cannot be zero. Pi/2 is in that interval.

The answer to the problem is (c).
 
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Shackleford said:
I know I'm not evaluating at that point. To me, it seems that the theorem states that for every x in the interval the derivative of the function cannot be zero. Pi/2 is in that interval.

That's not what it says. It's says f' has to be continuously differentiable and nonzero NEAR the point f^(-1)(-1). Not everywhere.
 
Shackleford said:
The answer to the problem is (c).

Sure it is.
 
Dick said:
That's not what it says. It's says f' has to be continuously differentiable and nonzero NEAR the point f^(-1)(-1). Not everywhere.

What are you talking about? It says it right here.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n149/camarolt4z28/IMG_20111109_161232.jpg

I'm interpreting I = (0, 2pi).
 
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Shackleford said:
What are you talking about? It says it right here.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n149/camarolt4z28/IMG_20111109_161232.jpg

I'm interpreting I = (0, 2pi).

You don't need to take I=(0,2pi). f^(-1)(-1)=pi, so take I=(pi-1/4,pi+1/4). Or any other small interval around pi that doesn't include pi/2. Then it fits your statement, doesn't it? That's what I mean by NEAR pi.
 
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Dick said:
You don't need to take I=(0,2pi). f^(-1)(-1)=pi, so take I=(pi-1/4,pi+1/4). Or any other small interval around pi that doesn't include pi/2. Then it fits your statement, doesn't it? That's what I mean by NEAR pi.

Yeah, I just realized that maybe setting that given interval equal to I is my problem. Thanks again.
 

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