Analytical solution for heat equation with simple boundary conditions

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding analytical solutions for the heat equation in a ring with specified boundary conditions. It includes both steady state and transient state scenarios, focusing on the mathematical formulation and the necessary conditions for solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the steady state heat equation and the associated boundary conditions, seeking assistance in finding a solution.
  • Another participant clarifies that the steady state equation is a simple linear ODE and questions whether a solution has been found, while noting that the transient state requires additional initial conditions for a unique solution.
  • This second participant suggests that without initial conditions, general solutions can be expressed as a series involving Bessel functions and exponential functions.
  • Two participants express difficulty in solving the equations and request help, indicating a need for further clarification or guidance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the steady state problem is simpler than the transient state problem, but there is no consensus on the specific solutions or methods to be used, particularly regarding the initial conditions necessary for the transient state.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of initial conditions for the transient state solution, which remain unspecified. There is also a lack of clarity on the specific forms of solutions that may apply to the given boundary conditions.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in mathematical methods for solving partial differential equations, particularly in the context of heat transfer and boundary value problems, may find this discussion relevant.

uqjzhang
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
I am trying to solve the following heat equation ODE:
d^2T/dr^2+1/r*dT/dr=0 (steady state) or
dT/dt=d^2T/dr^2+1/r*dT/dr (transient state)

The problem is simple: a ring with r1<r<r2, T(r1)=T1, T(r2)=T2.
I have searched the analytical solution for this kind of ODEs in polar coordinate systems, found a lot of solutions for more difficult problems :devil:

Can anybody help me with this one please?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The stady state problem :
d^2T/dr^2+1/r*dT/dr=0 is a simple linear ODE. With boundary conditions T(r1)=T1, T(r2)=T2, did you find the solution ?
The transiant problem :
dT/dt=d^2T/dr^2+1/r*dT/dr is a linear PDE. Boundary conditions T(r1)=T1, T(r2)=T2 are not enough. A unique solution requires more conditions related with time (for exemple what is the state at time 0, and/or how the T(r1), T(r2) are estabished as a function of time, or...)
Various methods are possible, with more or less difficulties depending on the initial conditions.
If the initial conditions are not stated, one can find the general solutions on the form of a series of particular solutions T(r,t)=Sum(Ak*Fk(r)*Gk(t)) where Ak are constants, Fk are Bessel functions or r and Gk is exponential functions of t. Other representations are possible.
So, first you have to clarify the initial conditions.
 
I found it difficult to solve the equation?
Anyone of you can help me?
Steady state solution in attachment :
 

Attachments

  • Steady state.JPG
    Steady state.JPG
    14.6 KB · Views: 624
I found it difficult to solve the equation?
Anyone of you can help me?
Transient solutions in attachment :
 

Attachments

  • Transient.JPG
    Transient.JPG
    49.8 KB · Views: 619

Similar threads

  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
4K
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
7K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K