Analyzing Discharge Circuit with Capacitor and Voltage Source: Finding i(t)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around analyzing a discharge circuit involving a capacitor and a voltage source. Participants are exploring how to derive the expression for the current i(t) after the switch in the circuit moves from the upper to the lower position, considering the effects of the voltage source and the capacitor's behavior during discharge.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the voltage across the capacitor using Thevenin's theorem and questions the standard textbook formula for i(t), suggesting the presence of a voltage source complicates the discharge analysis.
  • Another participant suggests applying Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) for the circuit in the lower position as a potential method to analyze the situation.
  • A different participant notes that while the capacitor discharges into a resistor when the switch is in the upper position, the presence of a voltage source in the lower position may affect the current i(t) as it could lead to recharging the capacitor.
  • One participant points out that the switch's position change at t=0 means the capacitor may not have sufficient time to discharge before the voltage source influences the circuit, raising questions about the polarity of the voltage across the capacitor.
  • There is a request for clarification regarding the idea of summing currents from different sources in the context of the circuit's behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the circuit after the switch is moved to the lower position, particularly regarding whether it is a discharging circuit and how the voltage source impacts the current i(t). The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the correct approach to analyze the circuit, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of the capacitor and the influence of the voltage source.

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hi all, wonderign whether you can help with this problem with capacitor discharging.
take a look at the pic

the question is

In the circuit shown above, the switch has been in the upper position for a long time and moves to the lower position at t = 0. Find i(t).

Basically, first i wanted to find out wat the voltage between the capacitor terminals would be after the long time it had been in the upper position. I found this as 20/3 V using thevenins theorem. now, i(t) is given in the textbooks as [-V*e^(-t/RC)]/R where V is the voltage across the OC capacitor. however, the discharge circuit the capacitor is connected is not just a simple circuit which contains only resistors - it contains a voltage source. how can i get an expression for i(t) in the discharge circuit? or am i going about this the wrong way.
thank you.

EDIT: I am not supposed to post this here, but i can find no way to delete the thread?
 

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This looks like a homework problem, still I'm giving a few hints.

Just use the KVL for the switch placed in the lower position. (I've not tried but I suppose this should help)

moreover, look carefully, is this circuit(switch in lower position) really discharging circuit?

hope this helps.
 
So, in between the upper and lower contacts, the capacitor discharges into the resistorr parallel with it, but when it reaches the lower contact, there is a voltage source charging the capacitor again - so i(t) would be a sum of the currents frm these sources?
 
as you say that the switch goes to the lower position at t=0, the capacitor will really not get the time to discharge.
notice one thing that the polarity of the voltage across capacitor changes after the switch remaiins in the lower position for a long time.

and yes, you are right, "there is a voltage source charging the capacitor again". but I didn't understand what did you mean by, "so i(t) would be a sum of the currents frm these sources". Please explain.
 

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