Angle RAB in Triangle PQR: 84°, 78°, 48°, 63°

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of angle RAB in triangle PQR, given specific angles and points within the triangle. Participants explore geometric properties and relationships, particularly focusing on the cyclic nature of quadrilaterals formed by points within the triangle.

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  • Post 1 and Post 2 present the problem of finding angle RAB with given angles in triangle PQR.
  • Some participants express difficulty in following the proposed solutions, particularly regarding the cyclic nature of quadrilateral RDAB.
  • One participant questions the validity of the cyclic quadrilateral assumption, stating they can only prove it if they already know the answer.
  • Another participant proposes a method to find angle RAB using specific angle relationships, suggesting that angle DRA equals 30° and deriving further angles from that.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the cyclic nature of quadrilateral RDAB, with some expressing confusion and others attempting to clarify their reasoning. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the proof of cyclicity and the measurement of angle RAB.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the cyclic properties of quadrilaterals and the relationships between angles, which affect the ability to derive conclusions about angle RAB.

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In a triangle $PQR$, $\angle P=84^{\circ}$, $\angle R=78^{\circ}$. Points $A$ and $B$ are on $PQ$ and $QR$ so that $\angle PRA=48^{\circ}$ and $\angle RPE=63^{\circ}$.

What is the measure of $\angle RAB$?
 
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anemone said:
In a triangle $PQR$, $\angle P=84^{\circ}$, $\angle R=78^{\circ}$. Points $A$ and $B$ are on $PQ$ and $QR$ so that $\angle PRA=48^{\circ}$ and $\angle RPB=63^{\circ}$.

What is the measure of $\angle RAB$?

My solution:
 

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I couldn't quite follow Albert's solution.

The following also uses the circumcircle of triangle RAB. Also it's written as a slight generalization. It is critical that angle ARQ is 30 degrees. The original problem has $\theta$ equal to 21. So angle RAB is 81.
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Albert,
I understand perfectly if quadrilateral PDAB is cyclic. This was my original problem, and I still can't see why it's true.
 
johng said:
Albert,
I understand perfectly if quadrilateral PDAB is cyclic. This was my original problem, and I still can't see why it's true.
RDAB is cyclic not PDAB
 
Albert,
Sorry, it was a typo. My problem is: why is quadrilateral RDAB cycliC? I can prove this only by knowing the answer.
 
johng said:
I couldn't quite follow Albert's solution.

The following also uses the circumcircle of triangle RAB. Also it's written as a slight generalization. It is critical that angle ARQ is 30 degrees. The original problem has $\theta$ equal to 21. So angle RAB is 81.

Thanks, johng for participating and your solution is correct, well done!:)
Albert said:
cyclic-quadrilateral-and-its-properties:
Cyclic Quadrilateral and its Properties | TutorNext.com#

Hi Albert,

First, thanks for participating in this challenge problem of mine.:)

But, looking at your solution, if you mean to verify that the specific quadrilateral RDAB is a cyclic quadrilateral by first showing the sum of the opposite angles in it are supplementary, then I am unable to follow it.:confused:
 
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johng:
Can you follow my solution now ?
anemone:
If you are still unable to follow it,I will use the following method (forget the circle)
$x=\angle DRA=30^o=\angle ARB$
$\angle ABQ=x+y=111^o=63+18+x=63^o+48^o$
$\angle RAB=111-30=81^o=y$
 
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