Angular acceleration of Pendulum equation

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The discussion revolves around the equation of angular acceleration for a pendulum, specifically the equation θ'' = − g⁄R sin θ. Participants explore its legitimacy, implications, and related questions about gravitational constants and the relationship between angular acceleration, angular velocity, and linear velocity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants confirm the equation θ'' = − g⁄R sin θ as correct, relating it to the angular acceleration of the pendulum.
  • There is a question regarding whether "g" refers to the gravitational constant or gravitational acceleration, with some participants asserting that it represents gravitational acceleration near the Earth's surface.
  • Participants discuss the meaning of the equation, suggesting it provides the instantaneous angular acceleration at a given angle θ.
  • One participant inquires if the integral of angular acceleration over time yields the change in angular velocity, to which others affirm this relationship.
  • There is a question about whether it is possible to find linear velocity at the pendulum's lowest point using the relationship between angular velocity and linear velocity, with confirmation from other participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree on the correctness of the equation and its implications, there are varying interpretations regarding the definitions of "g" and the relationships between angular and linear velocities. The discussion includes multiple viewpoints and remains unresolved on certain aspects.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of gravitational constants and the implications of the equation in different contexts, indicating a need for clarity on these terms.

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Is this a legitimate equation?
θ'' = − gR sin θ

Source: ftp://www.myphysicslab.com/pendulum1.html
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The pendulum is modeled as a point mass at the end of a massless rod. We define the following variables:
  • θ = angle of pendulum (0=vertical)
  • R = length of rod
  • T = tension in rod
  • m = mass of pendulum
  • g = gravitational constant
We will derive the equation of motion for the pendulum using the rotational analog of Newton's second law for motion about a fixed axis, which is τ = I α where
  • τ = net torque
  • I = rotational inertia
  • α = θ''= angular acceleration
The rotational inertia about the pivot is I = m R2. Torque can be calculated as the vector cross product of the position vector and the force. The magnitude of the torque due to gravity works out to beτ = −R m g sin θ. So we have
R m g sin θ = m R2 α

which simplifies to
θ'' = − gR sin θ
 
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StevenJacobs990 said:
Is this a legitimate equation?
θ'' = − gR sin θ
Yes, it is correct. The angular acceleration of the pendulum is ## \ddot {\theta} = -\frac{g\sin(\theta)}{R}##
 
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Yes, it is correct. The angular acceleration of the pendulum is ## \ddot {\theta} = -\frac{g\sin(\theta)}{R}##

I have four more questions. I thought making a new forum would be too much for such simple questions.

1. Is "g" gravitational constant or gravitational acceleration? Because in my school I learned lowercase g as gravitational acceleration and capital G as the gravitational constant.

2. What does the equation, θ'' = − gR sin θ, exactly tell?
So if I know g, R, and the angle, then I only know the angular acceleration at that instantaneous moment? Because θ will decrease as pendulum sweeps down.

3. Regarding question 2 that if θ'' changes throughout an oscillation of a pendulum, then is the integral of θ'' verses time graph will be change in angular velocity ω?

4. Regarding question 3 that if I can get angular velocity with integral of angular acceleration v.s. time graph, then it is possible to find the linear velocity when the ball is at its minimum point?
 
StevenJacobs990 said:
I have four more questions. I thought making a new forum would be too much for such simple questions.

1. Is "g" gravitational constant or gravitational acceleration? Because in my school I learned lowercase g as gravitational acceleration and capital G as the gravitational constant.
g is the gravitational acceleration near the surface of the Earth.
StevenJacobs990 said:
2. What does the equation, θ'' = − gR sin θ, exactly tell?
So if I know g, R, and the angle, then I only know the angular acceleration at that instantaneous moment? Because θ will decrease as pendulum sweeps down.
Yes, the formula gives the instantaneous angular acceleration at angle θ.
StevenJacobs990 said:
3. Regarding question 2 that if θ'' changes throughout an oscillation of a pendulum, then is the integral of θ'' verses time graph will be change in angular velocity ω?
Yes, the change of the angular velocity between time instant t1 and t2 is equal to the integral of θ'' with respect time.
StevenJacobs990 said:
4. Regarding question 3 that if I can get angular velocity with integral of angular acceleration v.s. time graph, then it is possible to find the linear velocity when the ball is at its minimum point?
Yes, the linear velocity is v=Rω, at every point of the track.
 

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