Angular distribution of radiation in relativistic limit

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The discussion centers on the angular distribution of radiation emitted by a linearly accelerating electron in the relativistic limit. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the radiation pattern, particularly focusing on the angle of maximum radiation and the implications of taking the limit as the electron's velocity approaches the speed of light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula for the angular distribution of radiation and questions the behavior of the angle of maximum radiation as the velocity approaches the speed of light.
  • Another participant suggests that the gamma factor approaches infinity in this limit, indicating that the angle approaches zero, and recommends a Taylor expansion in terms of gamma.
  • Several participants express difficulty in performing the calculations and seek alternative methods to simplify the process.
  • One participant proposes that focusing on local extrema of the radiation distribution may suffice for understanding the radiation pattern.
  • Another participant points out that Taylor expanding the wrong function may lead to complications and suggests a different approach to the expansion.
  • There is a suggestion to rewrite the expressions in a form conducive to expansion, specifically in terms of \(1/\gamma^2\).

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to derive the angle of maximum radiation or the necessity of detailed calculations. Multiple competing views on the method of expansion and the interpretation of the results remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the mathematical steps involved in the Taylor expansion and the implications of different forms of the equations. The discussion highlights the complexity of the calculations and the need for careful handling of limits and expansions.

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While linear accelerating an electron, with direction of acceleration being the ##z+## axis of the spherical coordinates, its radiation in angular distribution form is(according to this tutorial: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node132.html)

##\frac{dP(t')}{d\Omega} = \frac{e^2\dot{u}}{16\pi^2\epsilon_0c^3}\frac{sin^2\theta}{[1-(u/c)cos\theta]^5}##

where ##t'## is retarded time, ##\theta## is the polar angle of measuring point in current spherical coordinate, ##u## is the value of velocity, ##\dot{u}## is the value of acceleration.

By differentiating wrt ##cos\theta## I can verify equation (1662) in the tutorial saying that

##\theta_{max} = arccos [\frac{1}{3(u/c)}(\sqrt{1+15u^2/c^2} - 1)]##

is the angle of maximum radiation.

However I don't get why taking ##u/c \rightarrow 1## results in ##\theta_{max} \rightarrow 1/(2\gamma)## where ##\gamma## should be ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-u^2/c^2}}##.

It seems quite straight forward for me to get just ##\theta_{max} \rightarrow arccos(1) \, = \, 0## as ##u/c \rightarrow 1##.

Where did I go wrong?

Any help is appreciated :)
 
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The gamma factor goes to infinity in this limit so the angle does go to zero. The quoted expression describes how it goes to zero and to derive it you need to keep higher order terms. I suggest writing your expression in terms of ##\gamma## and making a Taylor expansion in ##1/\gamma##.
 
Orodruin said:
I suggest writing your expression in terms of ##\gamma## and making a Taylor expansion in ##1/\gamma##.

Thanks this sounds on the right track. I'll try it :)
 
OMG the calculation is taking me a long time and I'm still stuck in all the trials. By far I've done:

Denote ##h = \frac{\gamma}{3\sqrt{\gamma^2-1}}(4\sqrt{1-\frac{15}{16\gamma^2}} - 1)## thus ##\theta_{max} = arccos(h) \approx \frac{\pi}{2} - (h + \frac{1}{6}h^3 + \frac{3}{40}h^5 + ...)##

And now the high order terms become complicated if one goes on in a straight forward calculation. Is there any workaround for this?

Btw I also doubt the necessity of such a hassle. If the importance of investigating ##\frac{dP(t')}{d\Omega}## is to divide the space into "lobes" where radiations strengthen/attenuate w.r.t ##\theta##, then finding local extrema like ##\theta_{max}(u, \dot{u}, ...), \theta_{min}(u, \dot{u}, ...)## should be a good stop to the calculation.
 
genxium said:
OMG the calculation is taking me a long time and I'm still stuck in all the trials. By far I've done:

Denote ##h = \frac{\gamma}{3\sqrt{\gamma^2-1}}(4\sqrt{1-\frac{15}{16\gamma^2}} - 1)## thus ##\theta_{max} = arccos(h) \approx \frac{\pi}{2} - (h + \frac{1}{6}h^3 + \frac{3}{40}h^5 + ...)##

And now the high order terms become complicated if one goes on in a straight forward calculation. Is there any workaround for this?

Btw I also doubt the necessity of such a hassle. If the importance of investigating ##\frac{dP(t')}{d\Omega}## is to divide the space into "lobes" where radiations strengthen/attenuate w.r.t ##\theta##, then finding local extrema like ##\theta_{max}(u, \dot{u}, ...), \theta_{min}(u, \dot{u}, ...)## should be a good stop to the calculation.

You are attempting to taylor expand ##\arccos(x)## instead of ##\arccos(1-x)##. You will have more success if you do the second.
 
When set u/c -->1 for lower values the c/u --> 1 for larger values. So (c/u)^2 --> 1 much stronger than (c/u) and rewriting your equation as:
$$ \cos{\theta_{max}} = \frac{1}{3}\left(\sqrt{15+(c/u)^2}-(c/u)\right) $$ the limit for (c/u)-->1 is 1 so θmax=0.
 
Orodruin said:
You are attempting to taylor expand ##\arccos(x)## instead of ##\arccos(1-x)##. You will have more success if you do the second.

Hi Orodruin, the hint is cool however I still can't find out how to use it :(

It's not obvious to me how to get to the form ##1-x## from either ##\frac{1}{3(u/c)}(\sqrt{1+15u^2/c^2} - 1)## or ##\frac{\gamma}{3\sqrt{\gamma^2 - 1}}(4\sqrt{1-\frac{15}{16\gamma^2}} - 1)##.
 
I suggest you rewrite it as
$$
\frac{1}{3\sqrt{1-1/\gamma^2}} (4\sqrt{1- \frac{15}{16\gamma^2}} - 1)
$$
and start expanding it in ##1/\gamma^2##.
 
Orodruin said:
I suggest you rewrite it as
$$
\frac{1}{3\sqrt{1-1/\gamma^2}} (4\sqrt{1- \frac{15}{16\gamma^2}} - 1)
$$
and start expanding it in ##1/\gamma^2##.

Do you mean Taylor expanding ##\frac{1}{3\sqrt{1-1/\gamma^2}} (4\sqrt{1- \frac{15}{16\gamma^2}} - 1)## first to get something like ##f(\frac{1}{\gamma^2})##, then Taylor expanding ##acos(f(\frac{1}{\gamma^2}))##?
 
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genxium said:
Do you mean Taylor expanding ##\frac{1}{3\sqrt{1-1/\gamma^2}} (4\sqrt{1- \frac{15}{16\gamma^2}} - 1)## first to get something like ##f(\frac{1}{\gamma^2})##, then Taylor expanding ##acos(f(\frac{1}{\gamma^2}))##?

You already have a function which is a function ##f(1/\gamma^2)## so you can series expand it. It is easier to take the cosine of everything and expand the cosine for small angles.
 

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