Angular momentum of a rod rotating about an axis

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The problem involves calculating the angular momentum of a rod rotating about the z-axis, with specific difficulties noted in deriving the inertia matrix for the system.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the inertia matrix for different segments of the rod, questioning the assumptions made about distances and the treatment of the radius. There are attempts to clarify the use of the parallel axis theorem and the correct application of inertia formulas.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the use of the parallel axis theorem and have raised questions about the assumptions regarding the radius and distances involved in the calculations. Multiple interpretations of the inertia terms are being explored, with no explicit consensus reached.

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There is uncertainty regarding the treatment of the rod's radius and the distances used in the inertia calculations. Participants are also navigating the implications of the problem's setup and the definitions of the terms involved.

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I'll provide a picture for clearer understanding. The problem is to calculate the angular momentum of the rod rotating about the z-axis. I have serious difficulties in deriving the inertia matrix, that's all I need help with.



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Since the rod is rotating about the z-axis ##\Rightarrow \omega _{x}=\omega _{y}=0## the angular momentum simplifies to

## \boldsymbol{L}_{O}=-I_{xz}\omega _{z}\hat{\mathbf{i}}-I_{yz}\omega _{z}\boldsymbol{\hat{j}}+I_{zz}\omega_{z}\boldsymbol{\hat{k}} ##

Split the rod in three parts (SEE FIGURE) and calculate for each body.

I have correct terms for body A.

For B:

##I_{xz}=\overline{I}_{xz}+md_{x}d_{z} = 0 +\rho b(0)(\frac{b}{2})=0##
##I_{yz}=\overline{I}_{yz}+md_{y}d_{z} = 0 +\rho b(b)(\frac{b}{2})=\frac{1}{2}\rho b^3##
(Wrong)##I_{zz}=\overline{I}_{zz}+md^2 = 0 + (\rho b)(b^2+(\frac{b}{2})^2)=\frac{5}{4}\rho b^3## (d is distance from midpoint of B to origin O)

For C:

##I_{xz}=\overline{I}_{xz}+md_{x}d_{z} = 0 +\rho b(\frac{b}{2})(b)=\frac{1}{2}\rho b^3##
##I_{yz}=\overline{I}_{yz}+md_{y}d_{z} = 0 +\rho b(b)(b)=\rho b^3##
(Wrong)##I_{zz}=\overline{I}_{zz}+md^2 = \frac{1}{3}(\rho b)(b^2)+(\rho b)((2b^2)^2+(\frac{b}{2})^2)=\frac{55}{12}\rho b^3## (distance d is from midpoint of C to origin O)
 
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Curious, why is Ibar_zz = 0? are you treating the radius to be zero? if that's the case then your md^2 term should be rho(b)(a^2) as a is the distance from the z axis. If you aren't taking the segment to have 0 radius, then Ibar_zz should be non zero, and your term for md^2 should be rho(b)(a+radius_b)^2, not (b^2 + b/2 ^2)

Follow that logic through with C. (how far is it from the z axis?)
Also I believe you want 1/12 mr^2 for that rod, maybe not, I'm not up to par on moments of inertia, but I'm pretty sure a rod pivoted about one end is 1/12 mr^2.

But using the parallel axis theorem is the right place to start.
 
I think that since it is not mentioned about any radius we can safely assume it to be zero. What distance? The perpendicular distance? Or using Phytagorean ?

I think this is slighly better but still wrong..

For B:

##I_{zz}=\overline{I}_{zz}+md^2 = \frac{1}{3}(\rho b)(b^2)+(\rho b)(b^2+(\frac{b}{2})^2)=\frac{19}{12}\rho b^3 ##. I am not sure whether distance d is from the midpoint of B and or just the vertical distance because it is still wrong!

For C:

Correct it should be ##\frac{1}{12}(\rho b)(b^2)## since the distance of the mass particles to the axis varies. Still wrong..
 
Oh wait, I didn't read the picture carefully enough. Replace all the a's with b's in the md^2 term
 
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Ok, so for A, it's cut and dry, \frac{1}{3} \rho b^3because[(mb^2)=(\rho b)b^2]
B, you have no moment before the axis shift, which leaves \rho b^3 after the shift
C you have \frac{1}{3} mb^2 + md^2 = \frac{4}{3} \rho b^3

I don't know where you're getting this \frac{b}{2} term from.

Your total I about the z axis should be \frac{1}{3} \rho b^3 + \rho b^3 +\frac{4}{3} \rho b^3 = \frac{8}{3} \rho b^3

The only thing that's throwing me for a loop is the C chunk, it's not rotating like a bar with one end on the axis... do you see what I'm saying? So this solution may or may not be good...
 

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