Angular momentum of a rotating skew rod

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The discussion revolves around the angular momentum of a rotating skew rod, specifically focusing on the calculations related to the angular momentum of two particles at the ends of the rod. Participants are examining the mathematical expressions and physical implications of angular momentum in this context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the expression for angular momentum, questioning the correctness of the derived formulas and the assumptions made regarding the components of angular momentum. There is a focus on the relationship between the angular momentum and the direction of the radius vector.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided corrections to the expressions for angular momentum, while others have raised concerns about the directionality of the angular momentum vector. There is acknowledgment of guidance received, but no clear consensus on the final interpretation of the results.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of angular momentum being perpendicular to the radius vector and discussing the potential cancellation of components in their calculations. There are indications of corrections being made to initial assumptions and expressions.

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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


The angular momentum of the upper particle is given as
## \vec L_u = m \vec r \times ( \vec \omega \times \vec r )= m[ \vec \omega r^2 - \vec r ( \vec r . \vec \omega )] = m[ r^2 \vec \omega - \omega r \cos \alpha \vec r ]##
The angular momentum of the lower particle is same to that of the upper particle.
Hence, ##\vec L = 2 \vec L_u ##
Is this correct so far?
 
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Pushoam said:

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The Attempt at a Solution


The angular momentum of the upper particle is given as
## \vec L_u = m \vec r \times ( \vec \omega \times \vec r )= m[ \vec \omega r^2 - \vec r ( \vec r . \vec \omega )] = m[ r^2 \vec \omega - \omega r \cos \alpha \vec r ]##
The angular momentum of the lower particle is same to that of the upper particle.
Hence, ##\vec L = 2 \vec L_u ##
Is this correct so far?
Check your expansion of ##\vec r . \vec \omega ##.
 
haruspex said:
Check your expansion of ⃗r.⃗ωr→.ω→\vec r . \vec \omega .
After correction:
##
\vec L_u = m \vec r \times ( \vec \omega \times \vec r )= m[ \vec \omega r^2 - \vec r ( \vec r . \vec \omega )] = m[ r^2 \vec \omega - \omega r \sin \alpha \vec r ]##
Is this correct?
 
Pushoam said:
After correction:
##
\vec L_u = m \vec r \times ( \vec \omega \times \vec r )= m[ \vec \omega r^2 - \vec r ( \vec r . \vec \omega )] = m[ r^2 \vec \omega - \omega r \sin \alpha \vec r ]##
Is this correct?
Yes.
 
haruspex said:
Yes.
But the angular momentum should be perpendicular to ## \vec r ##. Here, I am getting non-zero component in the direction of ##\hat r##.
 
Pushoam said:
But the angular momentum should be perpendicular to ## \vec r ##. Here, I am getting non-zero component in the direction of ##\hat r##.
The other term, ##\vec\omega##, also has a component in the direction of ##\vec r##. The two may cancel.
 
haruspex said:
The other term##\vec\omega##, also has a component in the direction of##\vec r##. The two may cancel.
Yes, it gets canceled.
Thanks for the guidance, thanks a lot.
 

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