Angular momentum of a system relative to a moving reference frame.

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The discussion focuses on calculating the angular momentum of a system of particles relative to a moving reference frame. The initial angular momentum is expressed as the sum of the cross products of the radius and velocity vectors of each particle. The transformation to the moving reference frame incorporates both the velocity of the frame and the particles, along with the radius vector adjustments. Participants suggest breaking down the problem into four separate terms for clarity and recommend using LaTeX for better presentation of equations. The conversation highlights the complexity of the problem and the need for systematic analysis.
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Demostrate that the angular momentum ##\vec M## of the system of particles relative to a point ##O## of the reference frame ##K## can be presented as

##\vec M=\vec M'+\vec r_c\times\vec p##

where ##\vec M'## is the proper angular momentum (in the reference frame moving translationally and fixed to the centre of inertia), ##\vec r_c## is the radius vector of the centre of inertia relative to the point ##O##, ##\vec p## is the total momentum of the system of particles in the reference frame ##K##.
Relevant Equations
##\vec M=\vec r\times\vec p##
I don't have too much of a clue of how to begin the problem.
I first wrote the angular moementum of the system of particles: →M=∑mi(→ri×→vi)M→=∑mi(r→i×v→i). Then I know that the angular momentum from of the moving reference frame would have the velocity as the sum of the velocity of the frame plus the velocity of each particle and the radius vector as the sum of the the radius vector relative to the center of inertia and the radius vector relative to the moving frame: →M′=∑mi[(→rc+→ri)×(→vi+→vc)]M→′=∑mi[(r→c+r→i)×(v→i+v→c)]. After that I don't know what to do.
 
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Davidllerenav said:
I don't have too much of a clue of how to begin the problem.
I first wrote the angular moementum of the system of particles: →M=∑mi(→ri×→vi)M→=∑mi(r→i×v→i). Then I know that the angular momentum from of the moving reference frame would have the velocity as the sum of the velocity of the frame plus the velocity of each particle and the radius vector as the sum of the the radius vector relative to the center of inertia and the radius vector relative to the moving frame: →M′=∑mi[(→rc+→ri)×(→vi+→vc)]M→′=∑mi[(r→c+r→i)×(v→i+v→c)]. After that I don't know what to do.

That should give you four separate terms to work on.

It would help if you use Latex:

https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
 
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