Angular momentum of an atom within a rigid body in motion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the angular momentum of an electron within an atom when the atom is part of a rigid body in motion. Participants explore the implications of classical and quantum mechanics on the behavior of the electron's angular momentum in this context, addressing both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the speed of an electron within an atom remains constant and invariant regardless of the motion of the rigid body, akin to the speed of light.
  • Others argue that the electron does not have a definite speed in the classical sense, and its angular momentum should not be thought of in classical terms.
  • A participant questions whether the quantity of angular momentum varies with the motion of the rigid body, noting that in non-relativistic quantum mechanics, angular momentum is defined relative to the nucleus and does not depend on the nucleus's motion.
  • Some contributions discuss the possibility of constructing operators that account for the nucleus's motion, although this approach appears less common in literature.
  • There are references to the hydrogen atom's Hamiltonian and the use of center-of-mass and relative coordinates to analyze the system, indicating a technical exploration of the problem.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the implications of the nucleus's motion on the electron's wave function and angular momentum, with calls for references to support claims made in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the angular momentum of the electron changes when the rigid body is in motion. Multiple competing views are presented, with some focusing on classical interpretations and others emphasizing quantum mechanical frameworks.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the relationship between the motion of the nucleus and the electron's state, as well as the complexities of defining angular momentum in different reference frames. There is also a noted dependence on the definitions and assumptions made regarding the system being analyzed.

  • #61
james fairclear said:
The discrepancy between the clock on the ground and the clock on the aircraft can only be explained by the relative motion between the clocks as that was the only material difference between the 2 clocks in the experiment.
No, the relative motion was not the only material difference. The different clocks took different paths through spacetime; that is the material difference. The relative motion is one side effect of that, but not the only one.
 
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  • #62
Nugatory said:
You will no longer be able to post into this thread.
Which, since he was the OP of the thread, means the thread is now closed.
 
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