Angular Momentum: Work Done & Frequency Change

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving angular momentum, specifically focusing on the effects of changing the radius of weights held by a person on a spinning chair. The subject area includes concepts of rotational dynamics and energy conservation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of angular momentum to determine the change in frequency when weights are moved closer to the axis of rotation. They also explore the calculation of work done based on changes in kinetic energy.
  • Some participants question the approach to calculating work done, suggesting that the change in rotational kinetic energy should be considered instead.
  • There is a mention of a discrepancy between the original poster's calculated work and a reference answer, prompting further inquiry into necessary adjustments.

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Participants note that the original poster's terminology may be imprecise due to translation, and there is a reference to a specific textbook answer that differs significantly from the calculations presented. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the definitions and assumptions used in the problem setup.

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1st of all i apologise if my terminology is incorrect, as i am translating into english..

on a spinning chair a man is sitting and holding 2 weights, of 10kg each, at a radius of 0.5m, the chair is turning at a frequency of 1Hz., the total moment of the man and the chair is I=2.5kgm2. how will the frequency change is the man moves the weights to a radius of 0.2m? what is the work done by the man in this case?

what i did was, using conservation of momentum

Iweights=mr2=20*0.52=5kgm2
Iman+chair=2.5kgm2
L=I[tex]\omega[/tex]=(5+2.5)(2[tex]\Pi[/tex]f)=15[tex]\Pi[/tex]

conservation of momentum
Iweights=mr2=20*0.22=0.8kgm2
Iman+chair=2.5kgm2

L=15[tex]\Pi[/tex]=(0.8+2.5)(2[tex]\Pi[/tex]f)

f=25/11Hz

is this correct,

now to find the work done, can i say- work done is the change of energy and using that, say,

Ei=Ek=0.5mv2
vi=2[tex]\Pi[/tex]fi*Ri=[tex]\Pi[/tex]
Ei=10[tex]\Pi[/tex]2j

Ef=Ek=0.5mv2
vf=2[tex]\Pi[/tex]ff*Rf=(10/11)[tex]\Pi[/tex]
Ef=81.566j

W=[tex]\Delta[/tex]E=0.5m(vf2-vi2)
=10*(8.157-9.87)=-17.13j

W=17.13j
 
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the correct answer (in my book) for the work done comes out around 188.4j so I'm way off.- what do i need to change. there's no answer as far as the frequency goes
 
The first part looks correct.

But for the second wouldn't you want to consider the change in rotational kinetic energy?

KE = ½Iω²

ΔKE = ½I1ω1² - ½I2ω2²
 
thanks a lot
 
could you take a please look at this post for me, also momentum, thanks
 

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