Angular velocity of a ball after change of direction

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The problem involves a ball with a specific moment of inertia rolling onto an incline and seeks to determine its angular velocity after the transition. The context includes concepts from rotational dynamics and angular momentum conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relevance of angular momentum and the choice of reference points for analyzing the problem. Questions arise regarding the effects of forces at the point of contact with the incline and the implications for angular momentum conservation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different reference points and the implications of forces acting on the ball as it transitions onto the incline. Some have suggested using the center of mass or the point of contact as reference points, while others are questioning the assumptions made about the forces involved. Guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between linear and angular velocities.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the assumptions regarding the short time duration of the impulse and the effects of gravity and friction during the transition. The geometry of the incline and the relationship between angular and linear velocities are also under consideration.

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A ball with radius, R, and moment of inertia, I = 2/5 mR2 is rolling on a horizontal plane with angular velocity ω0. At point A the ball rolls onto an incline with the angle θ wrt the horizontal plane. No air resistance and ω0R = V, where V is the velocity of CM.

What is the ball's angular velocity just after it has started rolling up the incline?

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I'm thinking it has something to do with the ball's angular momentum. However I'm not sure if I should be looking at the momentum with respect to a specific point or something else.
 
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Vir said:
I'm thinking it has something to do with the ball's angular momentum. However I'm not sure if I should be looking at the momentum with respect to a specific point or something else.
Angular momentum is always in respect of some chosen reference point. For conservation of angular momentum to be used, that reference point must be either the mass centre of the object or a point fixed in the inertial frame.
On contacting the incline, what force (impulse) occurs? Since you do not care what the magnitude of that is, it will be useful to choose a reference point about which it has no moment.
 
So when the ball hits the incline it experiences a force through its CM which reduces the x component of the velocity and increases the y component. Reference point at CM seems reasonable. I can also assume that Δt of the impulse is so short that the force of gravity and the frictional force has not yet accelerated the ball downwards?

If that is the case then the angular momentum about CM is conserved:

\begin{equation} Iω_0 = Iω_1 \end{equation}

Where do I go from here? I assume that ω1 < ω0, so I seem to be missing something in my equation.
 
Vir said:
So when the ball hits the incline it experiences a force through its CM
How do you deduce it's through the centre of mass? (It isn't.)
 
Alright, I guess then it would make sense to use the point where the ball makes contact with the incline as my reference point. So let's call this point's height over the horizontal plane x. Then I get:

\begin{equation}
m(R-x)V_0 + Iω_0 = m(R-x)V_1 + Iω_1
\end{equation}

Doesn't feel like I am any closer.
 
Vir said:
\begin{equation}
m(R-x)V_0 + Iω_0 = m(R-x)V_1 + Iω_1
\end{equation}
The right hand side is wrong. What direction is the velocity after hitting the ramp? How far is the point of contact from that?
You know the slope of the ramp, so use some geometry to determine x.
What is the relationship between angular velocity and linear velocity for a rolling ball?
 
haruspex said:
You know the slope of the ramp, so use some geometry to determine x.

So, as the ball touches the incline, the angle between the two contact points is θ which gives me \begin{equation} x = R - R cos θ. \end{equation}

haruspex said:
What is the relationship between angular velocity and linear velocity for a rolling ball?

wR = v

haruspex said:
The right hand side is wrong. What direction is the velocity after hitting the ramp? How far is the point of contact from that?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean. The velocity is at an angle θ of the horizontal.
 
Vir said:
So, as the ball touches the incline, the angle between the two contact points is θ which gives me \begin{equation} x = R - R cos θ. \end{equation}
wR = v
The velocity is at an angle θ of the horizontal.
Right.
You are taking moments about the point where it hits the ramp. If the new velocity is v1 parallel to the ramp, what is the moment of it about that point? Remember that you want the perpendicular distance from the reference point to the line of travel of the mass centre.
 
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haruspex said:
Right.
Remember that you want the perpendicular distance from the reference point to the line of travel of the mass centre.

Thank you for pointing this out, as it was the part I was missing.

The new velocity vector is at a distance R from my reference point, which gives me the equation:

\begin{equation}
m R \cos θ V_0+ Iω_0 = mRV_1 + Iω_1
\end{equation}

which simplifies to

\begin{equation}
ω_1 = \frac{5}{7}ω_0(\frac{2}{5}+\cos θ).
\end{equation}

Thanks a lot for the help! I guess the main point in this kind of problem is to pick a reference point such that dL/dt = 0 and remembering that |RxV| is only dependent on the component of R that is perpendicular to V.
 

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